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ChrisV2 (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
OMG - I saw the red shaded box at the site just now:


Important Service Announcement

The TaxAlmanac.org website will be going offline permanently on 6/1/14. The groups responsible for maintaining the content on this website are no longer able to provide the required maintenance and updates necessary to maintain the website’s on-going integrity.


I'm hoping this is a late April Fools joke...but if this is really going to happen, we are going to lose a great community here! Let me say right now I'd be willing to gen up a new forum if it would help keep the gang together. I lease a fairly high powered server today in a website hosting datacenter in Dallas, and can scale it as needed.


Let me know what your thoughts are.

Nilodop (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
Yikes! Didn't someone anticipate this and informally organize to get ready for it? Facebook comes to mind.

Terry Oraha (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
I'll go to facebook. i just cant believe it.

Kathyt (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
Personally, I would be willing to pay a membership fee for this site if that would help keep it open, anyone else??? I started using this site many years ago, and I have learned so much, I have a small office, no one to really bounce ideas off of, I have grown to depend on this site for that. Facebook is not the same thing, I want to be able to search topics of discussion. I just cannot put into words how much this site has helped me grow my practice, helped my clients when I was unsure of something, wow, I don't want to loose this. Sometimes it takes more than just research to arrive an answer in the tax world, it takes talking it out with your peers; we all can't be experts in every area of tax law, and that's what makes this site so great. If we made this a paid membership site rather than a free site, would that help to keep it open? Anyone else interested??? What a day to post this, April 15th!!

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
I am on facebook forums and it's not the same.

I have actually created a Taxalmanac page on Facebook where we have some tax professionals gathered so we have a place to go to and meet and figure out what the next step is.

Chris, please find us there, or at least gather our emails and let's do something between now and then.

Plus, if they cannot maintain this, can they at least transfer it to us, or archive the pages for search capabilities.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

April 15, 2014
Wow. Huh. Dang. And....


So where do build the new community? How can all the threads be exported? The great news is that we'd no longer be chained to this stupid Wiki crap, which barely functions as a forum except for our willingness to make it so. Is there a geek among us who could set up a REAL forum, you know, one where the Search actually produced desired results?

But this is like nuking a village in the Crimea. *poof* (and then nothing.....) We've formed a formidable unit here and all of us, even Chris! have learned stuff. I can't imagine FB working terribly well for this.

We have six and a half weeks. The clock ticks. And of course, I'd pay money as most of us might, to make it happen. I've got a client or two who have set up forums...perhaps I should explore.

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
I was just going to mention the FB page, but like Fred says, it's not the same. I also post to a group on Linked In, and, again, it's not the same. Maybe we've just all become friends over the years and we know and appreciate everyone's limitations, or maybe it's the yellow box where we can search, but this is kind of my come back to page. I would be willing to pay a membership fee to keep TA and barring that, I'm wondering if there is a way to take charge of the archived data. I can't tell you how many times this season Riley2's words were still helpful, or anyone else's for that matter. Who was it that tried to start a similar page on a website that looked kind of spacey just before TA came back online? Can he help? Or maybe ChrisV2's suggestion is viable. At least we have some time to figure this out. We should be greatful for that.

ChrisV2 (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
Before we go off in different directions please let me have a shot at this. I know how to stand up a site and a forum pretty quickly and if Intuit would allow me to move the content from this site over to a new location I can easily lock it down for archive purposes, and we can have a new full-fledged forum with all the bells/whistles.


What is critical here is to maintain/archive the existing content. Does anyone know who at Intuit I can talk to, to make a proposal on a save? I really do not want to see this site disappear.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
Trillium and I had predicted this over a year ago. Not sure why everyone is surprised. Heck, even JR1 predicted The End of the Forums.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
I agree Chris, I imagine Kevin might talk to people as he is an admin. I just yelled at him on FB after he abused me and told him that he has web forum issues to deal with.

We must protect the Yellow Box at all costs.

In fact, the new site can be called YellowBox.com. lol

Chris, join the facebook group simply as a place for us to gather and assist you in this.

add an @aol.com to my screen name and you have my email sir.

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
Chris, you should contact Tim Doyle at Intuit. He will know who is in charge there.

ChrisV2 (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
Thanks Kevin...I left Tim a voicemail. Hopefully he calls me back or can put me in touch with the right person.


Fred I will check out the FB page - thanks.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
Kevin is an involuntary admin on that page too. lol.

I can try talking to Mindy at intuit as well. Maybe if she gives us TA I will renew my Proseries.

Lalva (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
Nooooooo!! We need to save the yellow box!

I learned a little while ago that Riley2 (or R2) wasn't with us anymore... and now this!

I am also willing to pay to get this site or a similar one alive (and to keep the archives for searching). I am sure that 90% or so of the pros using this site are solo practitioners and this is our way to interact with other knowledgeable professionals.

HELP!

Captcook (talk|edits) said:

15 April 2014
I worked on this a little at the end of the year. I consulted with a techie friend of mine and he found this option floating out there. My understanding of this platform is that it is open source and very flexible. The more traffic we drive on the site, the more control we get as members and the more options are available. A page needs to find activity before it moves out of "proposals" status.

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/60707/accounting

If there is more interest/questions, let me know and I'll see what I can do to get answers. If the notice above holds true, June 1st will be here before you know it.

Joanmcq (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Well if we can get the data off the forum, getting onto a non-Intuit hosted site would be great. I can't even access this forum anymore after 11 or 12 at night!

When CCH shut down the ATX forum, we started another and it's still going strong and has more features than this one does. This site is just archaic; but the data and users are priceless.

Makbo (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Deja vu all over again... last year, NAEA shut down (temporary read-only) its members-only webboard, and replaced it with a new system that is only a faint shadow of the former one (although Dave Fogel still particpates there), since many of the best contributors migrated elsewhere. Unfortunately, the old NAEA webboard also had years' worth of archived, valuable material, which NAEA is unconcerned about saving.

As the saying goes, "Avengers Assemble!" (from Wikipedia, for those young 'uns whose only knowledge comes from movies.. " although one theme remained consistent: the Avengers fight 'the foes no single superhero can withstand." The team, famous for its battle cry of "Avengers Assemble!", has featured humans, mutants, robots, aliens, supernatural beings, and even former villains.')

That sounds like TaxAlmanac, no?

This should be the new rallying cry: Preparers Propound!''

Coddington (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Looks like we can just fork the site if someone can write a script to copy all of the forum content. All we have to do is include attribution (see bolded section below).

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Michaelstar (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
All good things come to an end but this is really unfortunate news. The brain trust of this group that has come together and those that have passed on have left their mark as a resource (although not primary.......but damn good!) that is very valuable. I do hope Intuit does find it in there corporate heart (I know that is an oxymoron) to allow these posts to be captured and taken to a place where they can at least be assessed for its knowledge while it is still viable.

Hope you all had a successful tax season.

CathysTaxes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
I'd pay a subscription.

CathysTaxes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
I post on two forums that use this http://www.invisionpower.com/apps/board/. The price for a cloud version that will allow 100 users online is $70 per month. There is also a server version.

ChrisV2 (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
I'd really like to hear from Intuit before we think about scraping the site. The contents of this site are served from an SQL database backend. An HTTP based scrape would be very inefficient and probably miss a lot; the best bet would be to either use the wiki built-in backup/restore functionality or (even better) take a server backup of the entire site and then I can have it running on a new server within a few hours.


I use servers from softlayer.com; the best cloud service on the planet. I would gladly do this on my own nickel - no subscription needed; I just need someone on the sending side to work with me.

CathysTaxes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Chris, that's a generous offer! I believe it was Kevin who posted a link to a consumer tax site that had the posts from TA transferred, so obviously, Intuit has allowed access to the posts.

CathysTaxes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
I think I found the other site, https://taxresearch.lcp.intuit.com/. Here is a post by Kevin: https://taxresearch.lcp.intuit.com/post/show_full/dcE7U8LKKr4kXvaaWP5K-7/capital-gain-on-distributions-in-excess-of-stock-basis-netted-out-by-increase-in-basis-for-the-gain

JAD (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Chris, there is no reason why it should be only your nickel. Many of us have already or previously stated that we would contribute nickels too. Thank you for suggesting a good, hopeful solution.

I posted a question on stack exchange the first time this site went down. It is extremely limited in the length of posts that it will accept. IMO, the limitation is fatal.

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

2014-04-16
I have a server, I just need to get it running. If need be, we can use it. I just have to figure some things out.

I am more than willing to help transition us to something else.

Tom

Lrichards (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
I would pay a subscription fee to belong to this group. Am I surprised? Of course not. Intuit is just another Corporate giant that takes care of itself, and this forum obviously does not benefit them or they would keep it.

Makbo (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
"Looks like we can just fork the site"

Seriously, do you think more than, say, 42% of users of this site know what you mean by "fork the site"?

Preparers, Propound!

Tenletters (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
What ever happened to "wayback machine" Wasn't that the name of an outfit that archived website content for later retrieval?

CathysTaxes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Many of us are Intuit customers and are not too happy with getting socked again by them.

Taxaway (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
I'm not surprised considering Intuit and given all the problems with ProSeries this year, many it seems by carelessness, disregard or worse (enough that after 13 years I have my summer project of evaluating other software programs.)

When it comes to a tax resource, I would pay an annual membership, as TaxAlmanac has proved as helpful if not more in locating answers with that nice yellow box, or just perusing the daily comments and questions.

Tax Writer (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
An HTTP based scrape would be very inefficient and probably miss a lot; the best bet would be to either use the wiki built-in backup/restore functionality or (even better) take a server backup of the entire site and then I can have it running on a new server within a few hours.

Impressive, Chris. I would be happy to pitch in financially for this. The question is whether or not Intuit will allow us to use and retain our own public content elsewhere. Is this a possibility? I would love to save this forum.

EZTAX (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Count me in. Let's make it work. Good night all. Hope you are now smiling as you head for home or sleep!

FLAcct (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
I am also a sole practitioner who has found this forum to be an extremely valuable resource. Until I found this forum I thought the hardest part of my job was that I had no one I could ask a question when some unusual situation came up (and there have been plenty of those). I would definitely be willing to pay a membership to keep this forum going in some form or another.

Southparkcpa (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
I would be willing to contribute money for a new site...

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
This site has a free-wheeling nature that can't be topped; it is not for the thin-skinned but there is so much to learn here.

With all that praise, its loss is relative and something will morph to take its place.

On February 12th, the day after my birthday, a local neurologist gave me a diagnosis of "Lou Gehrig's Disease" (ALS) and sent me to a specialist at Robert Wood Johnson. On the 28th of February, this man, Doctor Jerry Belsh, a doctor who has 34 years experience treating ALS, confirmed that diagnosis. Now I am with a wonderful team he has assembled at RWJ, and finding resources I never knew existed (e.g., turns out ALS patients have a large percentage of veterans, and there are benefits that can be had to help). So all is relative, but as Dr. Belsh says, my leg and arm weaknesses will not kill me......unless I fall under a subway.

JAD (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
D&T, thanks for letting us know. I am at a loss for words. I am sending you thoughts of peace and love.

Terry Oraha (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Wow, D&T thanks for your inspiration. The takeaway is we got 45 days together, lets enjoy, and keep D&T away from those rail car tracks.

Update from Tim Doyle (Intuit), via ChrisV2

ChrisV2 (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
D&T - sincere thoughts and prayers...thanks for letting us know about that.


I just spoke with Tim Doyle. He is working on some potential options, so at this point folks - please - the recommendation is to continue enjoying the site and let's not scatter just yet. As more information becomes available it will be shared here. Tim agrees wholeheartedly that the community and content is very important so he is pushing on this within Intuit. Anyone who works within a large corporation knows that decisions and plans take some time; Tim is working the process.


Stay tuned...

MWPXYZ (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
D&T - it is a blessing to get what seems to be a sure diagnosis. My clients have had or that have seem to have had ALS, have had their diagnosis change annually it seems. Hope you will be able to use your RV this summer!

EAinVA (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
As a SP, I would miss this site immensurably. Glad to toss in my nickle or dime to keep it

going.

D&T, you are in my prayers.

Mhewes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
The domain taxannals.com is available.

Uncle Sam (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Did Tim Doyle state whether or not we needed the title "TRUSTED USER" - for a tax pro to use a product/service meant

for tax professionals - for whatever new forum INTUIT is intending to succeed with?

I don't trust INTUIT. It's one entity that attempts to produce products and services for competing parties simultaneously and couldn't care about the ethics.

So I question the last words of the warning notice "on-going integrity"

Taxaddict1 (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Does anyone have the link to the FB page?

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

April 16, 2014
Taxannals? Really? Is it misspelled?

Cheering for ChrisV2! Make something happen....

Praying for David/D&T. *sigh* Lord, heal. Bring peace.

Finally, if hold our subscriptions hostage....? lol

Joanmcq (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
I like calling a new site "The Yellow Box". My 2 cents.

D & T, I am disheartened to hear of your diagnosis, but I'm glad you seem to have top notch medical care. May the disease progress as slowly as this site's pages load!

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
That is funny, Joan. Thanks to all for their thoughts.

I take a pill, Riluzole, twice a day. Will the liver be able to take this medicine? Every month for the next three, I will have it checked.

I plan to drive the RV next week to PA Dutch Country and we have reservations at a campground near Bar Harbor for late September. I wear braces on both legs thru mid-shin to stop my drop-foot condition, but cannot drive with one on the right foot.

I plan to be more active as this site sinks slowly in the west. I love you guys (and gals, too)

Mhewes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Annals, as in record of events. theyellowbox.com/org is already registered.

Mhewes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
http://www.theyellowbox.com/

Wiles (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
Anybody else here ever use the The Tax Book's Forum?

My 2 cents...

I used it when TA went down last year. There is a small learning curve, but it has some nice features that I found useful. I came back to TA when TA was back online. The main reason I prefer TA is for the contributors that are here. If the same contributors went to that forum, I think we would all be OK with that.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

April 16, 2014
There's a Yellow Box church nearby they call it. Not officially...but that's how it's know around here.

CathysTaxes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
D&T, best of luck to you.

Spell Czech (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
David: Hang in, hang out, hang around. Don't hang up. Spell Czech

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

16 April 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCTvXHtxtaM&feature=kp

Makbo (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
"Does anyone have the link to the FB page? "

https://www.facebook.com/groups/213070672214028/

There is also a closed FB group which started with a core of refugees from the old NAEA webboard, not sure if you have to be an EA to join:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/602744379759606/

JAD (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
Tax Book's Forum looks fine to me. I did not know about it. I wonder if there is a way to open up the whole thread instead of having to click on each post in a topic.

Coddington (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
D&T, T&P for you.

There are many other groups that tend to be high quality:

Yahoo Tax Professionals

Yahoo Tax Chat

Kleinrock's TaxTalk (now CCH)

CalCPA's TaxTalk for Attorneys and CPAs (EAs can join but can't post unless they work for a CPA or law firm.)

Yahoo's Tax Pro Exchange

Misc.Taxes.Moderated Founded by refugees from an old CompuServe list many years ago.

The American Bar Association Section of Taxation's open listserve Not for the faint of heart, but a great place for estate, gift, and partnership taxation.

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

2014-04-17
Sorry to hear, David.

I think we should keep going and forget the other "tax" websites. This place has its own charm.

Tom

Gazoo (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
This is what makes a real flower different from an artificial one: the real ones die and ironically that fact gives them their worth.

All good things must come to an end. Not since the days when Cervante's character Don Quixote roamed the land of Spain has such a journey been made as We have made on this site. It is time to return to the home, put the books of chivalry away, and die (hopefully not in the literal sense of the word).

Yes, we go out on somewhat of a low point (a very low point), but think of it as trading in an old car.

Let's face it, we're sick of the old car. True, it has been a trusty mechanical steed in times of need, and for our younger members perhaps even an occasion of sin, nevertheless, we are sick of it and it's time to turn it in for the "new car" smell: in the end, the human lives for the smell of the thing.

Guya (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
The beauty of this site is the discussion between professionals and the desire to share and become stronger.

Oddly I sometimes come across my own past postings when I search on Google for an answer to some knotty problem.

More seriously this site has value; it generates lots of hits so it could be sold as a going concern by Intuit; rather than killed. Why are Intuit killing something they could sell to a third party? The existing site and archive could easily be hosted and monitored from a low cost country and make money for a purchaser who wanted to run this.

Gazoo (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
Guya, in one sense, this proposed act (mark the word "proposed" here) could be seen as an advancement of the American character in the sense that is totally out of character for the American character: that is, to kill off a cash cow (or even a spare change-cow).

However, the Corporation, and particularly the publicly traded one, cannot...c a n n o t ....and I mean cannot let stand any loose ends and this site is loose at all ends.

Loose at all ends shall not be and the Corporation usually manages to strangle such loose ends in the crib. Well, they let us get a few years out of the crib, but again, it shall not be, and however they kill us (draw and quarter, gibbet, auto-da-fe, whatever) we will be killed and scattered to the ten corners of the known universe.

Nilodop (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
Oddly I sometimes come across my own past postings when I search on Google for an answer to some knotty problem. Don't know your age, but guaranteed it will happen more often as you get older.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

April 17, 2014
That makes me crazy, too! It's like reading from myself in the past...and I wonder, how did I know that then and I don't know it now? It is truly jarring.

Gazoo (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
Yes, but let me put in a word for "forgetting". There is something to be said for it.

If you leave a wall blank in the city, some young hooligan will come by and put some art on it. From time to time it's good art. But, life is but a series of accretions, as an oyster builds his shell, so our lives are built. Sure as h*ll some laboring man will be tasked with painting over with gray or biege the work of the young artist.

Then, another young one will come along and do the same thing: make some art, and then the laboring man is tasked with wiping it out again; and so life proceeds: putting something good down, forgetting it, painting over it; and our memories are always Only Our memories: we can never remember It exactly as it was.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
Yellowbox.com is also taken. lol

And for those looking for the facebook version of out Taxalmanac coffee shop style, simply put taxalmanac in the facebook search box at the top, their version of the yellow box and you will find us.

Or search me out Fred Stein and message and I can add you.

Chris, I found you on facebook, but that looked like your business page, i was off relaxamisizing yesterday but am now in the office for half-time work these days and will again try to add you the person.

Michaelstar (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
JR - that is a puzzling experience I would have to admit. Our sails are just getting older........I guess - but they still draw energy and keep us in the right direction.

David - my prayers are with you my friend - just keep on trucken and the wind will always be at your back. Enjoy your vacation for all of us!

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

April 17, 2014
Fred, I just hit the add me box on the FB page. Initials should clue you in!

BFStax (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
My wife and I both know how to make webpages and would like to offer to take the lead on continuing this site. I have only used it for approximately one year, but I have received such great advice that I would hate to see this disappear.

The first order of business would certainly be making that damn yellow box MUCH more helpful in searches!

Uncle Sam (talk|edits) said:

17 April 2014
BF- are you going to require that in order to use your site - tax professionals have to go through the

screening process of being "Trusted Users"?

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