Discussion:Qualifying child vs relative
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| + | {{ForumReplyPost|UserID=Bengoshi|Date=30 November 2007|Text=Agree w/ TinCook based on your stated facts. Doesn't seem that the child is a "qualifying child" of the mother since they didn't share the same principal place of abode for more than 1/2 of the year (and it doesn't appear to be just a "temporary absence" from mother's home -- unless some special circumstance like the mother's illness was involved). Assuming all the tests for a "qualifying relative" are met, your client was likely entitled to the dependency exemption for the youngster.}} | ||
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| 20 February 2006 | |
| After much reading I am still unsure how to take my client's child. She was widowed in 2000 and for the past tax years has been qualifying widow of HH. Now her son is 24 and a full time student. He made 8000 at a part-time job. she provided more than half of his support-- including tuition of over 11000. Can she calsim HH with him as dependent or single with him as dependent or is he out of luck for this year and files a single return with no dependents?
If in 2006 the child earns less than 3300 can he be claimed in 2006? | |
| 20 February 2006 | |
| No dependency exemption available unless the child is totally and permanently disabled. No HOH unless she has another qualifying child or relative. | |
| 20 February 2006 | |
| I know you are great Riley2, AND
Maybe I'm confused. Check ,please, Lasser's 2006, pages 419 and 420 From page 422, right left side , small note I quoted: "THE GROSS INCOME TEST DOES NOT APPLY TO QUALIFYING CHILDREN, INCLUDING FULL-TIME STUDENTS WHO ARE UNDER AGE 24 AS OF THE END OF THE YEAR" | |
| 20 February 2006 | |
| Less than 25 years old and full time student is okey.
24 is okey. 25 is too old. | |
| 20 February 2006 | |
| Sorry, Marineo. Congress doesn't see it that way. A QC who is a student must be under the age of 24 at midnight on December 31, 2005. Thus, he must be 23 years of age or younger. See Sec. 152(c)(3)(A)(ii). | |
| 21 February 2006 | |
| SORRY- TRUE- HE,HE
WHERE DID I GET THE 25??? UNDER 24, = 23 OR LEES THAN 23 AM I GETTING OLD? | |
Taxea@hawaii.rr.com (talk|edits) said: | 23 February 2006 |
| Okay I got this from Pub 553...highlights of 2005 tax changes...hope this helps everyone...
2005 Changes Uniform Definition of a Qualifying Child Beginning in 2005, one definition of a “qualifying child” will apply for each of the following tax benefits. Dependency exemption. Head of household filing status. Earned income credit (EIC). Child tax credit. Credit for child and dependent care expenses.
Relationship test. The child must be your child (including an adopted child, stepchild, or eligible foster child), brother, sister, stepbrother, stepsister, or a descendent of one of these relatives. An adopted child includes a child lawfully placed with you for legal adoption even if the adoption is not final. An eligible foster child is any child who is placed with you by an authorized placement agency or by judgment, decree, or other order of any court of competent jurisdiction. Residency test. The child must live with you for more than half of the year. Temporary absences for special circumstances, such as for school, vacation, medical care, military service, or detention in a juvenile facility count as time lived at home. A child who was born or died during the year is considered to have lived with you for the entire year if your home was the child's home for the entire time he or she was alive during the year. Also, exceptions apply, in certain cases, for children of divorced or separated parents and parents of kidnapped children. For more information, see Publication 501, Exemptions, Standard Deduction, and Filing Information. Age test. The child must be under a certain age (depending on the tax benefit) to be your qualifying child. Dependency exemption, head of household filing status, and EIC. For purposes of these tax benefits, a child must be under age 19 at the end of the year, or under age 24 at the end of 2005 if a student, or any age if permanently and totally disabled. A student is any child who, during any 5 months of the year: Was enrolled as a full-time student at a school, or Took a full-time, on-farm training course given by a school or a state, county, or local government agency.
A school includes a technical, trade, or mechanical school. It does not include an on-the-job training course, correspondence school, or night school. Child tax credit. For purposes of the child tax credit, a child must be under the age of 17. Credit for child and dependent care expenses. For purposes of the credit for child and dependent care expenses, a child must be under the age of 13 or any age if permanently and totally disabled. Support test. The child cannot have provided over half of his or her own support during the year. For the definition of support, see Support Test, in Publication 501. Exception. For purposes of the EIC only, the support test does not apply. Qualifying Child of More Than One Person Sometimes a child meets the tests to be a qualifying child of more than one person. However, only one person can treat that child as a qualifying child. If you and someone else (other than your spouse if filing jointly) have the same qualifying child, you and the other person(s) can decide who will claim the child. If you cannot agree on who will claim the child and more than one person files a return using the same child, the IRS may disallow one or more of the claims using the tie-breaker rule explained in Table 1, below. Table 1. When More Than One Person Files a Return Claiming the Same Qualifying Child (Tie-Breaker Rule) IF . . . THEN the child will be treated as the qualifying child of the. . . only one of the persons is the child's parent, parent. both persons are the child's parent, parent with whom the child lived for the longer period of time. If the child lived with each parent for the same amount of time, then the child will be treated as the qualifying child of the parent with the highest adjusted gross income (AGI). none of the persons are the child's parent, person with the highest AGI. Dependency Exemption To claim the dependency exemption for a qualifying child, all four tests listed earlier under Tests To Meet must be met. The child generally must also be a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, or a resident of the United States, Canada, or Mexico. An exception applies for certain adopted children. If married, the child cannot file a joint return unless the return is filed only as a claim for refund and no tax liability would exist for either spouse if they had filed separate returns. A person who used to qualify as your dependent but who is not your “qualifying child” may still qualify as your dependent as a “qualifying relative.” To claim the dependency exemption for a qualifying relative, the person cannot be the qualifying child of any other person and all five dependency tests discussed under Dependency Tests in Publication 501 must be met.
If you are a dependent of another person, you cannot claim any dependents on your return. Head of Household Filing Status In general, you can use head of household filing status only if, as of the end of the year, you were unmarried or “considered unmarried” and you paid over half the cost of keeping up a home: That was the main home for the entire year of your parent whom you can claim as a dependent (your parent did not have to live with you), or In which you lived for more than half of the year with either of the following: Your qualifying child (defined earlier, but without regard to the exception for children of divorced or separated parents). But, if your qualifying child is married at the end of the year, see Married child, later. Any other person whom you can claim as a dependent. But you cannot use head of household filing status for a person who is your dependent only because: He or she lived with you for the entire year, or You are entitled to claim him or her as a dependent under a multiple support agreement.
The child must be a U.S. citizen, U.S. national, or a resident of the United States, Canada, or Mexico. An exception applies for certain adopted children.
Married child. A child who is married at the end of the year is a qualifying child for purposes of the EIC only if you can claim him or her as your dependent (see Dependency Exemption, earlier) or this child's other parent claims him or her as a dependent under the rules for children of divorced or separated parents in Publication 501. Child Tax Credit You may be able to take the child tax credit if you have a qualifying child who meets all four of the tests listed earlier under Tests To Meet. For additional rules that you must meet, see Publication 972, Child Tax Credit. Credit for Child and Dependent Care Expenses Generally, a qualifying person for purposes of the credit for child and dependent care expenses is: Your qualifying child (defined earlier, but without regard to the exception for parents of kidnapped children), or Your dependent or spouse who is physically or mentally incapable of caring for himself or herself and who lived with you for more than half of the year. For purposes of the credit for child and dependent care expenses, a qualifying child and dependent are determined without regard to the exception for children of divorced or separated parents and the child is treated as a qualifying person only for the custodial parent. For additional rules that you must meet, see Publication 503, Child and Dependent Care Expenses. However, for 2005, you no longer need to meet the Keeping Up a Home Test discussed in Publication 503. | |
| 30 November 2007 | |
| 18 year old (at 12/31/06) boy was a member of my clients' (MFJ) household for the entire year.
He did not have any earned income. They provided 100% of his support. His mother provided no support for him and he did not live with her at all in 2006. Since neither the residence nor the support tests were met, it seemed to me that he was never eligible to be her qualifying child in 2006. Am I correct? Since these four tests were met (residency, income, support, qualifying dependent of another), I believe my clients were entitled to claim him as a qualifying relative in 2006. His mother, who lives in another state, evidently also claimed him as a dependent in 2006. If he is not eligible to be claimed as her qualifying child, will the tie breaker rules apply? Thanks for your advice. | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 30 November 2007 |
| Nope. The tie breaker rules only apply when there is more then one QC claim on a child. The only way the mother can prevail is if she can show that the time away from her household was a "tempory absence".
So it really depends why the kid was living with your clients. | |
Johnhuddleston (talk|edits) said: | 30 November 2007 |
| Beth, your client is the father, correct? It sounds like he wins.
John Huddleston Seattle Bellevue Tax Accountant | |
| 30 November 2007 | |
| The boy is a friend of my clients' son. His home life with his mother was very unhappy, so they took him in. He has been living with them full time for the past 5 years. His mother left him and moved out of state. His father is AWOL. My clients did not claim him as a dependent until after he turned 18 to avoid confrontation with the mother.
Thanks for your reassurance. I have to answer the IRS, and have found the applicable references. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding the QC tie breaker rule. Welcome, John. I've been reading your posts and am so happy you've joined the community. TinCook, congrats on becoming an EA! | |
| 30 November 2007 | |
| Agree w/ TinCook based on your stated facts. Doesn't seem that the child is a "qualifying child" of the mother since they didn't share the same principal place of abode for more than 1/2 of the year (and it doesn't appear to be just a "temporary absence" from mother's home -- unless some special circumstance like the mother's illness was involved). Assuming all the tests for a "qualifying relative" are met, your client was likely entitled to the dependency exemption for the youngster. | |


