Discussion:Forfeited House Deposit
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Cpabakem99 (talk|edits) said: | 20 February 2007 |
| Forfeited House Deposit - Is this ordinary income or capital gain?
Milt Baker CPA Michigan | |
| 20 February 2007 | |
| Sec. Sec. 1234A | |
| 20 February 2007 | |
| Capital, but i would think short term. I did some research on an payment for an option to buy real estate. Our finding was that the option payment wasn't recognized until the option either expired or was exercised. The reason for waiting was to determine if it was long or short term. | |
Cpabakem99 (talk|edits) said: | 21 February 2007 |
| Quoted from Yahoo Professional ListServe (Contributor Triad 3003)
The IRS is using the logic of 1234B (seller of house as grantor of put/call; buyer out of luck since short-term capital loss from 1234A is non-deductible) and thus treats any such gain as ordinary income. "In general, any gain to the grantor of an option arising from the failure of the holder to exercise it, and any gain or loss realized by the grantor of an option as a result of a closing transaction, such as repurchasing the option from the holder, is considered ordinary income or loss." From the layman's publication 523: "Option to buy. If you grant an option to buy your home and the option is exercised, add the amount you receive for the option to the selling price of your home. If the option is not exercised, you must report the amount as ordinary income in the year the option expires. Report this amount on Form 1040, line 21, or on Form 1040NR, line 21. " Milt Baker CPA Michigan | |
Mtmckeecpa (talk|edits) said: | 21 February 2007 |
| Interesting, the pub does say line 21, I would have thought the expired option would flow to Sch D. | |
| 21 February 2007 | |
| Give me a break. Exactly where do they define Real Property as anything but a capital asset? Personal use disqualifies loss, but hardly changes the nature of an asset. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 21 February 2007 |
| You sold your time for the period the property was unavailable for sale; you did not sell real estate if the option lapsed and was forfeited. | |
| 21 February 2007 | |
Sec. 1234A. Gains or losses from certain terminations
Gain or loss attributable to the cancellation, lapse, expiration,
or other termination of -
(1) a right or obligation (other than a securities futures
contract, as defined in section 1234B) with respect to property
which is (or on acquisition would be) a capital asset in the
hands of the taxpayer, or
(2) a section 1256 contract (as defined in section 1256) not
described in paragraph (1) which is a capital asset in the hands
of the taxpayer,
shall be treated as gain or loss from the sale of a capital asset.
The preceding sentence shall not apply to the retirement of any
debt instrument (whether or not through a trust or other
participation arrangement).
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Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 21 February 2007 |
| Reg. 1.1234-1 refers to the holder of the option, not the grantor of the option. If the holder sold the option, it would be a capital gain, short or long term. | |
Mtmckeecpa (talk|edits) said: | 22 February 2007 |
| Line 21 for sure. Thanks. | |
| 22 February 2007 | |
| Okay I see it. Apparently marketable securities are the exception, not the rule. Reg. 1.1234-1(b). | |
Cpabakem99 (talk|edits) said: | 26 February 2007 |
| Just thought I would ask the question of the IRS at their "Ask A Tax
Question" Site. Not surprised at the answer IRS Email Tax Law Assistance: Your Question Was: A potential buyer gives you a deposit on the potential sale of your home. The buyer backs out and you have a forfeited deposit Is this ordinary income or capital gain?
Milt Baker CPA Michigan | |
| 17 March 2007 | |
| This is a very interesting discussion. I have as similar case. TP set up an LLC for development and sale of condo property. Deposit on purchase of the property was lost after financing could not be obtained. Is this capital subject to the same logic? Is it a deductible capital loss? | |
| 18 March 2007 | |
| From Regs: Reg. 1.1234-1(b)
Failure to exercise option. If the holder of an option to buy or sell property incurs a loss on failure to exercise the option, the option is deemed to have been sold or exchanged on the date that it expired. Any such loss to the holder of an option is treated under the general rule provided in paragraph (a) of this section. In general, any gain to the grantor of an option arising from the failure of the holder to exercise it, and any gain or loss realized by the grantor of an option as a result of a closing transaction, such as repurchasing the option from the holder, is considered ordinary income or loss. However, for the treatment of gain or loss from a closing transaction with respect to or gain on the lapse of an option granted in stock, securities, commodities or commodity futures, see section 1234(b) and ยง1.1234โ3. One of the requirements for capital gain or loss is that there is an exchange or sale. Income from a options lapse is not considered from a sale or exchange. Hence, ordinary income. | |
| 1 April 2007 | |
| I have a client that lost $22,531 Earnst Money on a house he was purchsing as an investment. Could that be considered investment expenses - Sch A? Or what is the true way to treat this loss? | |
| 1 April 2007 | |
| search some more using the yellow field on the left near the top: deposit, earnest money | |
| 1 April 2007 | |
| Thank you for your quick reply - I hadn't used that feature before. Very powerful. I was on the right track - good to validate. | |


