Discussion:Type D Reorganization
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29 June 2007 | |
Hi:
I have a client who wants to spin off his corporation (Type D Reorganization). It is an S corporation that wants to transfer its assets to a Partnership in exchange for the Partnership's stock. 1) Can there be a transfer between two different types of entities (S corporation and Partnership) for it to be a valid Type D reorganization under Section 368)? 2) In what website can I find an example of Plan of Reorganization or Business Plan Model? Thank you, Susana |
29 June 2007 | |
Type D reorg under Sec. 368(a)(1)(D) cannot spin off to a partnership -- must be a corporation. This is just a contribution to a partnership under Sec. 721. |
June 29, 2007 | |
Effectively making it a sale of the assets of the corp and all the tax consequences. There is no tax free reorg from a corp. |
30 June 2007 | |
A Section 721 transfer of assets from a corporation to a partnership should be tax-free. |
June 30, 2007 | |
We've been thru this before, and there are some caveats to this, which is why S corps are not becoming LLC's in droves for easier rules... |
2 July 2007 | |
JR1 says that there are some caveats.. which is why S corps are not becoming LLC's
1) What are the caveats under Section 721? 2) What about if the partnership is a general partnership instead of an LLC? Can the Section 721 transfer from a corporation to a general partnership be tax-free? 3) If the answer is that the Section 721 transfer of assets from a corporation to a partnership is taxable, what would happen if we have a corporation transfer its assets (and related liabilities) to another corporation? (Note: The liabilities exceed the basis of the assets). Would the transfer be tax free under Section 368)D)? |
July 2, 2007 | |
Just talking out loud here, Susana, and I would not suggest ever betting against Riley...but the basic rule of fact is that when assets come out of a corp, ever, it's at FMV. It is a deemed sale. If that weren't the case, all the poor folk who now discover that they shouldn't have put RE into a corp would then transfer it over to an LLC. Can't happen. Gain is recognized when assets move out of the corp. I know Riley and I chatted on this once before, so maybe search for it in the yellow box. I maybe recall him saying that what you can do is keep the corp intact and trade it for an LLC or partnership interest,which isn't what you're after. Sorry can't be more help. Transferring to another corp entity is allowable, but I don't know what reorg rules govern that. |
2 July 2007 | |
Susana, I think the S corporation (S) could contribute its assets to a partnership or LLC-taxed-as-partnership (P) tax-free under IRC Sec. 721 in exchange for an interest in P. This is true whether P is newly organized or an existing partnership. Now S is a partner in P. The basis of S's interest in P is the adjusted basis of the assets transferred. No gain recognized, no step up in basis.
If the assets are contributed subject to liabilities, or liabilities are assumed by the partnership in connection with the contribution, S may have income from the cancellation of debt. Watch out, too, for sales taxes if tangible personal property is contributed to the partnership. That may result in a sales tax liability in some states, at least to the extent of any liabilities assumed by or transferred to the partnership. If your client, Mr. X, wants to be the partner in P in place of S, S would have to distribute its interest in P to him, and would then recognize IRC Sec. 311(d) gain to the extent of the difference between the FMV of the interest and S's basis in it. That gain would flow through to X and be taxable. Sec. 368 applies only to corporations. A partnership cannot be a party to an IRC Sec. 368 reorg. |
3 July 2007 | |
Susana, if the liabilities exceed the adjusted basis of the assets in a Sec. 721 transfer to a partnership, the partner is treated as having received a distribution of cash, and any distribution of cash in excess of the partner's basis in his partnership interest is treated as a gain. However, the partner's basis in his partnership interest is increased by that partner's assumption of debt in the same transaction. Example, debt assumed by partnership is $100,000, adjusted basis in assets transferred is $80,000, partner's share of debt is $50,000. In my example, the gain recognized is zero since the partner's basis in his partnership interest is $130,000.
JR1 is telling us that property distributed from a partnership must come out at fmv, causing a gain at the corporate level. Under Sec. 311(b), JR1 would be correct. However, what JR1 did not tell you is that Sec. 721 overrides Sec. 311(b). |
July 3, 2007 | |
Thanks for clarifications. I'll reread this many times to get my arms around it. Do a classic real estate inside a corp situation tho'...if this works as you indicate, why isn't that the always solution for RE trapped in a corp? There's still something missing here. |
3 July 2007 | |
Where you keep getting lost, JR, is that the RE is still in the Corp, just in the form of a partnership interest. If sold the partnership will pass gain through to Corp. If distributed it just ends up back there. If re-mortgaged, Corp cannot distribte cash to shareholder in excess of basis without shareholder recognizing gain. |
3 July 2007 | |
Thank you for the valuable information. I talked to my client (an S Corporation). They have changed their mind. They want their existing corporation (Corporation A) to create another S Corporation (Corporation B). Corporation A will transfer assets to Corporation B in exchange for 100% interest in Corporation B. The stock of Corporation B will then be distributed to the stockholders of Corporation A. It will be a spin-off under Sec 368(a)(1)(D). Please see below. Is my reasoning correct?
GAIN ON TRANSFER OF ASSETS: Let's say that the basis in the assets transferred by Corporation A to Corporation B is $80,000 and the liabilities $100,000. The gain recognized by Corporation A would be $20,000 per IRC Section 357)c). right? Now, what would the basis of Corporation A's interest (stock) in Corporation B be?
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TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 4 July 2007 |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but corporations(S or C) can't be shareholders in S Corps (Is this true for qualified s corp subsidaries?). I guess its a minor quibble since s Corp A could make a new c Corp B and elect QSub status for Corp B. |
9 July 2007 | |
An S-Corporation can have a 100% owned-S corporation subsidiary (QSub). They end up filing a combined tax return. |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 9 July 2007 |
So an S-Corp can be a QSub? |
9 July 2007 | |
If an S corp owns 100% of another corporation, it can elect to have it treated as a QSub. See IRC Sec. 1361(b)(3)(B). The Qsub is a disregarded entity for tax purposes; in other words, for federal income tax purposes, it is treated as a division of its S corporation parent.
Some states require a Qsub to file a separate return to report and pay its own fixed dollar minimum tax, net worth tax, etc. |
July 10, 2007 | |
OK, I've now read extensively on all manner of reorgs, and at the risk of appearing ever more foolish in the room of some very bright brainiacs...there is no language on D Reorgs, or any other for that matter, about moving from a corp to an LLC/1065. ALL the language has to do with controlled corp on one side and a controlled corp on the other.
'Splain it to me again, Lucy. A fundamental concept in corp tax law is that when assets move out of the corp, it's at FMV unless you're doing a reorg to another corp. And gain is recognized. Sorry if I'm missing the obvious. |
11 July 2007 | |
But JR ... you're forgetting Sec. 351 and Sec. 721. A corporation can transfer assets to a corporation in exchange for stock in the transferee, as long as the transferor controls the transferee afterwards, without recognizing gain (except to the extent of liabilities transferred in excess of the transferor's basis in the assets - Sec. 357). And a corporation can transfer assets to a partnership in exchange for an interest in the partnership, again tax free unless liabilities in excess of basis go along. In either case, the transferee gets the transferor's basis in the assets, and the transferor's basis in the stock or interest in the transferee is the same as the transferor's basis in the assets contributed.
But of course, as Dennis pointed out above, the assets that were contributed are still in the transferor corporation -- they've just changed their character, from real estate or machinery or whatever to an interest in a partnership or stock in another corporation. The basis of the stock or interest is the same as the transferor's basis in the assets, plus any gain that was recognized in the transfer. So the corporation hasn't avoided anything. If it sells the stock or the interest, or the transferee sells the assets, the gain will be recognized and taxed at the corporate level. It doesn't avoid the "double tax" character of the C corp -- just postpones it. You could think of it as analogous to a like-kind exchange. |