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Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

9 June 2010
A friend received this email from a retired military man.....betcha his Congressman did nothing to persuade him that there is a difference between posting information and taxing something:

"Starting in 2011 (next year folks) your W 2 tax form sent by your employer Will be increased to show the value of what ever health insurance you are Given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern or Governmental body of some sort. If you're retired ? So what ; your gross Will go up by the amount of insurance you get.

 You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have

Never seen.

Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000 Additional gross does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year. For many it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse.

This is how the government is going to buy insurance for 15 % that don't Have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.

Not believing this I researched the summaries and here's what I'm reading:

On page 25 of 29 :

TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS-(sec . 9001 , as modified by sec. 10901) Sec.9002. "requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee The aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage That is excludable from the employees gross income."

Trillium (talk|edits) said:

9 June 2010
Snopes does a nice job debunking this disinformation!

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

9 June 2010
My client forwarded the email which was replete with a military medal and his rank, retired.....you can't make this S___ up. And these people believe it because they are inclined to do so.

NoVATaxes (talk|edits) said:

9 June 2010
"...That is excludable from the employees gross income..."

What part of "excludable" don't they understand?

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

10 June 2010
Why aren't the Bibles coming out about lying? I'm looking for some of these people who regularly talk to God (according to them), and who read his Word (according to them), to come in and tell me it's ok to lie, because I need to figure out all these exceptions to the Bible. Remember, they are the ones saying we must follow the exact words.

I mean these are big lies. They have been going on for months and months and everyone who's doing this knows they are spreading falsehoods.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

June 10, 2010
"....everyone who's doing this knows they are spreading falsehoods."

Of course they know - they are politicians. Isn't that part of the definition?!? (had to check to make sure this was in "Chat")

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

10 June 2010
I don't know about them all being politicians Belle. There's a lot of them lying who are not politicians. A lot of the rank and file are lying and have been lying about this topic. Many of them are big churchgoers and are determined to make this a "Godly" country, according to them.

Belle (talk|edits) said:

June 10, 2010
OK - which is worse? Lying politicians, or the lying big churchgoers? Both are hypocrites; which is a four-letter word for me. And as NoVATaxes said "..what part of "excludable" don't they understand?" It's an unfortunate fact that most folks hear/see what they want to hear/see. Goes for Republicans/Democrats/Independents/etc and most all the religions, too. Sigh.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

10 June 2010
It's the blind (Faux News) leading the blind Belle.

Keep in mind, the Democrats are Godless. The Independents are mostly Godless, unless you are a Tea Drinker.

There is ONE Party of God in this country (ye shall have no other Gods above them), and the Texas School Board will set you straight on what Party that is.

Actually, the Party of God has an offshoot now known as the Tea Party (of God). They've cornered the market on God between them.

This is the group that wants the Ten Commandments put up in all places, from the schoolroom to the jailhouse and everything in between. It would probably be a good idea if the Party of God got around to reading the Ten Commandments, lying is on there somewhere.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

10 June 2010
It is good old scare tactics, straight out of the Joesph Goebbels book of disinformation. Repeat an untruth long enough and it becomes a fact in many minds.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

10 June 2010
However, George Grant, a Reconstructionist[57][58] ....... has stated the movement's aims in this way:

"Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ -- to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion we are after. Not just a voice. It is dominion we are after. Not just influence. It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after. World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less... Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land -- of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ"

Obviously, the word "Christians" is used quite loosely above. This is theocracy. An American Taliban. We have never had this kind of thing before in America. But it's not about relgion, its about power.

They cannot "reclaim" this land for Jesus Christ. Our country is open to all religions, including no religion.

Up until now, we have had a separation of church and state. The Texas School Board is working hard to mislead children about this. In other words, they are working hard at telling another lie.

"Thus Christian politics has as it's primary intent the conquest of the land". Therefore, the primary intent is not following the teaching of the religion (which they never do), but it's the conquest of the land.

This is real. It's going on right now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

This is interesting too. Even some of the Right Wing are getting nervous about this:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/when-right-starts-warning-about-dominionism-pay-attention

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 11, 2010
Thanks for posting that D&T & Trillium. I was at a business meeting a couple of weeks ago when someone mentioned that very "information." I hadn't heard anything about taxing the health care premiums, but I didn't say anything at that point because the bill is so huge -- I certainly wouldn't say I know even half the stuff that's in it. I will be sure to update everyone this month, however.

Szptax (talk|edits) said:

11 June 2010
How many politicians voted for/supported this bill without reading it? How many opposed the AZ law without reading it?

I admit, I have scanned not read it comprehensively. I only comprehensively read the parts that seem to be most relevant. This would be why I keep my mouth shut and double check info before I choose to speak. Seriously I don't think that they are seeking to spread lies, I think its poor information gathering & rumor mongering.

The Texas school board is another matter all together - that's ridiculous!

What is even scarier is how people aren't reacting to the Health Care Bill and its hidden mission. I think people are preoccupied with their own failing circumstances that they are numb to the consequences. Though as a country we are voting out the old cronies, so maybe we are waking up. I think it has to be changed. I hope its just a matter of time.

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