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Lel4110 (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2007
If a C Corp purchases season tickets for a sports team's games every year, and uses the tickets to give to employees and clients, with approx 30% use by corporate officers, what portion could be deducted, if any?

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 10, 2007
Which sports team are the tickets for?

Lel4110 (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2007
They are for the Denver Broncos - do the Tax Courts prefer some over others?(ha)

Kathyt (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2007
Gift to clients are limited to $25 per year, per client.

Lel4110 (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2007
What about the 50% entertainment rule, if there is a business purpose before, during or after the event? What about the fact that it is a c-corp, could the employee use be considered a deductible fringe benefit?

Kathyt (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2007
If it's entertainment it's not limited to the $25 rule because it's entertainment, not a gift. Are the tickets just given to clients and employees, to use when they want to, or does the client attend the game with the clients?

Lel4110 (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2007
A mixture of both. I see what you are saying - if gifts, the limit applies. If the client attends, entertainment. What about tickets for employees? Thanks for your help Kathyt.

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 10, 2007
Read pages 11 and 12 of Publication 463. The answer should be there.

Deback (talk|edits) said:

March 10, 2007
and page 13

Lel4110 (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2007
Thanks Deback! Looks like 50% deductible as entertainment if given to clients or attended with clients. I am still a bit confused about the employee use.

Michaelstar (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2007
It is all entertainment as long as they pay face value for the tickets. Customers, employees or the owners. The owners s/b taking their customers, buying the beer and food (getting receipts for the beer will be difficult - I know - I go to 8-10 Charger football games a year - not for business) and having a good time while talking about business. 50% deductible.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

10 March 2007
Then there was my boss' client back in 1981 whose diary showed him taking his customers to Phillies and 76ers games, back when the cost of two tickets was less than $25. The diary also showed drinks at a club before the game, for less than $25, and a snack after for less than $25. Very few receipts. I was delegated to handle an audit; client kept postponing it until IRS said 'this is your last chance' so he met me in the IRS cafeteria at 8am and gave me the documents for some of the areas, and this Dome Accounting diary with the entertainment and driving miles all mixed together. I had ten minutes before the audit to look at his information, while he talked at me, telling me how clever he was. He left to sell computers. Had I been smart, I would have left also.

IRS disallowed entertainment, saying his employer should have teimbursed it despite employer letter that said entertainment after business hours was at the discretion of the employee and would not be reimbursed. We went to Appeals and they agreed with auditor. We filed petition for Tax Court and I met with District Counsel. We reached agreement that about 20% of the entertainment were lunches and reimburseable. Then she said, 'we have had this copy of the diary for six years now and no one has really looked at it. He doesn't have many receipts and seems to use our rules to his advantage.' She said she wanted to review the document.

When I got back to my office, I pulled out the original and it hit me: 1981 was the year of the long baseball strike, but in the diary the client kept attending games. Took it to my boss, since he was the attorney. Before he could reach District Counsel, they were back with a modified response charging civil fraud and a 50 or 75% penalty [rules were different then]. Client wanted to fight, saying he did spend money, just not that money, and from people who knew him, I knew he had the reputation as the last of the big time spenders. He was the company's top saleman. Boss explained to him that court would feel if he lied once, how did they know this would be the truth. I think he thought the judge would be a prospective customer and that he could sell him anything. Boss told him to take his medicine and learn his lesson.

So Michael, make sure your diary shows that the Chargers were playing!!!!!

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