Discussion:Relgious Justice: Taliban Executes Child (7)

This is the Muslim Taliban**: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37615068/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia

We need to put all these religious extremists from whatever religion out on an island in the middle of the ocean, and let them live like animals, and leave the rest of us civilized people alone.

.**I wonder if there was a extremist religious judge or religious court involved in this decision to murder this boy? Or some kind of fundamentalism going on?

According to the American Dominionists I was talking about this morning, they want to run our courts in this country.

It can happen again. Here. A lot of blood was spilled to get Church and State separated, and we should keep it that way.

P.S. By American Taliban, I didn't mean Muslims (they have their own Taliban), I meant these extremist "Dominionist" so-called Christians.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37683770/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001

Where is Nathaniel Hawthorne when you need him? Put a Scarlet "F" on that teacher FORNICATOR. lol. I'm telling you, for a "freedom party" these "freedom lovers" sure to love to pry into peoples' private lives.

But notice, if they catch a big church minister "fornicating" THEN you hear: don't judge, God says don't judge, shhhh keep this quiet don't talk about it, his sins are forgiven, we'll handle this inside the church... and other such nausea. In no time, the "minister" is back as a forgiven "sinner", giving his "testimony", selling books and making more money than he did before.

By the way, I understand Minister Ted Haggard (former President of the National Association of Evangelicals and Patron of Male Prostitutes) is back in the saddle. He's founded a new church "for sinners" (I thought they were all sinners) I think those are his words. Do a search and you can watch his recent press conference.

Here's the Faux News story on it:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/02/disgraced-pastor-ted-haggard-calls-colorado-news-conference-undisclosed/

Snowbird, I agree that it's power that corrupts, and that's all the more reason we need to keep church and state absolutely separate.

As far as Joe Stalin and Moa, yes, they were securlarists, but their crime has to fall squarely on them. They can't say "God made me do it, it's God's fault". Nevertheless, you make an excellent point.

But, we don't have much in the way of a Joe and a Moa around in America today, but we sure do have a lot of this Christian extremist thinking going on. I hope it turns out to be a flash in the pan.

I remember Lou Dobbs suggesting (I think) that La Raza was a revolutionary group. I don't know if they are or not, I'll have to check that out.

Oh, these awful dangerous Mexicans that the rich have doing their yard work and their handy work around the house, and mowing their lawn, and taking care of their babies. I've noticed a lot of the middle class keeping them busy with yard work, and building projects.

I don't think there's a Washington politician of either party that doesn't have some foreign labor working for them, even though they're a little more careful these days in checking their papers ("just make it look good, I can always claim I made a mistake"). lol.

If that's Joe and Mao, then the rich man is coming out pretty good, since he can afford to buy a ton of this cheap labor (and then turn to his neighbor and complain about those awful Mexicans).

There is NO WAY corporate America will give up cheap labor, nor will the construction industry give up this labor, nor will the rich fellow give it up.

As I've said before, it's not the illegal immigration that's killing this country, it's some of the LEGAL immigration that's killing us.

What is also interesting is some of the European commentary about the situation in Belgium. As the Belgian elections prove, language can be a divisive issue But, too PC incorrect to discuss in the country.

I can see maybe 3 or 4 countries formed from the US. Country 1 , a figure 7 that consists of the major northern cities starting with Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Phillie and then the East Coast down to Washington. Country 2, the SE, heathland and SW. Country 3, West Coast. Maybe a fourth would be southern California, southern AZ and NM and southwestern part of Texas which would be Spanish speaking. Crow, where do you want to live?

Send them to the island too! I will let the Patriot Guard throw the going away party!

I am not saying war is good, but George S. Patton was not afraid to speak the truth about war. It was simply an ugly business. He was quoted as saying, "May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't."

As for the example cited, I am not familiar with this, but MSNBC is then left-wing as Fox News is allegedly right-wing if we are going to call it "Faux News." Chris Matthews recently blamed Cheney for the Gulf oil spill. Keith Olbermann should go back to reporting sports because he cannot get his facts right about much after watching some of his shows. Same with Maddow. She is worse. After watching one of her shows, I nearly doubled over in laughter at her and her staff's lack of knowledge. That's why I barely watch these shows anymore.

Thank goodness the World Cup is on for the next month.

Tom

Oh, and Country 2 will probably get all the workers out of the other two countries and the need for the assistance will dwindle because the bloodsuckers in country 2 will either have to become producers or move to country 1 or 3. I know that if where I live happens to go with country 2...I'm outta there and moving before country 1 tells me that I am not allowed to. Believe me if the bloodsucker realize that their checks won't be coming anymore...they will be moving to where you are or getting jobs so taht they can earn their checks.

I actually don't think the country is likely to divide. We in the heartland may think that Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich, Chris Matthew, Lawrence O'Donnell and the other media elites are representative of the East, but they are not. The first responders who rushed into the World Trade Towers are truly representative of the East. The same goes for the West. San Fran and LA media, Hollywood Celebrities and politicians are not the West. It is the career military men and women around San Diego and Camp Pent and the Border Petrol (who have mostly Latino names) that put their lives on the line that are the real West. Unfortunately, we have let minorities in each area define us.

Ah, well, my husband and I happen to have Hispanic last names and we are both American CITIZENS. So are my kids, born and raised. Nobody in my family is illegal. NOBODY. Sorry if that pisses you off, but I'm not changing my name to "fit in" better with what you think is a "good American."

By the way, my husband was stopped in Arizona and questioned while we were walking through the airport. The border patrol agent asked to see "our papers." This was last year-- before the new law even came into affect. We were dressed nice and had our kids with us. It was humiliating. Since we are citizens, we don't carry our passports on us everywhere we go, just our driver's licenses. I noticed that nobody with blonde hair and blue eyes was getting asked, but I'm sure there are at least a few million Russian, Eastern European, and even Asian illegals in the United States, as well. I wonder why they stopped us?... Hmmm... maybe someone here can give me an idea, because I sure don't know why.

I hope snowbird never gets a dark tan and goes to Arizona.

Tom

I'm sure anyone of Asian descent got it really bad starting with Pearl Harbor.

In my opinion, let's let anyone into this country who is willing to work, abide by the law and pay taxes, while we work to exterminate (not literally) the leeches (they come in all colors, shapes, and sizes) who are only here for the free money.

I already stated that all my family is American-born. I don't really understand this statement.

By the way, my family is all Catholic, we own guns, and we all vote. I think that it's political suicide for the Conservatives to attack Hispanics, who tend to be conservative themselves. But that's just my opinion-- I felt like it cost them the election during the last cycle and it may cost the next one. I've voted for Democrats and Republicans over the years, ( I even voted for Nader one year) but I won't vote for anyone who thinks that they can trample on my Constitutional rights because I happen to have a name that's not Jones or Smith. If they are going to check me, then they should check everyone. The law should be equal. I would be okay with that.

And yes, I think the Japanese Internment camps were wrong. One of my best friends in college was born in one, and I think it was a regrettable period in our nation's history.

I also feel that having illegal aliens and undocumented visitors is an embarrassment to national security. How can a country protect its citizens if it cannot monitor those entering or exiting the country?

The border with Mexico is clearly a problem. What is also a problem is that Mexico and Mexicans resists our efforts to monitor and secure our borders. They have no rights in this regard.

Our law that if you are born here, you are a citizen has encouraged this behavior. We won't separate families so we allow illegal to stay and have granted amnesty. If those children of illegals weren't citizens at birth, then it would discourage this behavior. I have no sympathy for someone who illegally entered the country, had children, got caught and then deported having to choose whether to leave the kids behind or to take them with them. The parents created the situation. Just like if they broke the law and went to jail.

How the awful and criminal acts of the Taliban morphed into a discussion of illegal immigration, I don't know.

I'm not upset about having to show my license. I'm upset that my family was the only one being asked. I believe in the Bill of Rights. That's why we have laws-- to protect the rights of individual citizens. Your "common sence" argument is similar to the one that's used by despotic governments.

By the way, I'm waiting for Godwin's law to kick in on this one....

Crow... I promised myself I wouldn't get sucked into a political argument--- how did this happen? ARRRG!

And as far as the blood sucking 'Country 2' people from the heartlant.....welfare doesn't just go to the unemployed. A lot of the 'welfare' I am talking about has to do with farm subsidies...subsidies to grow stuff we grow too much of anyways, like corn, subsidies not to grow stuff, etc. Most of the stuff we grow out here on the left coast, we do without subsidies, like tomatoes & strawberries, etc. The stuff we shouldn't be growing does get water subsidies (another story I can rant to no end over) but most are from the STATE water project, not the Beaureau of Reclaimation. IMHO, welfare is welfare, regardless of whether it is open, such as making sure our seniors don't live in poverty, or disguised as business tax breaks and subsidies. And at least when it is out in the open, transparency is possible. the hidden welfare, such as the welfare that keeps oil cheap, or encourages the purchase of gas guzzlers, are a bigger problem that poor people getting food stamps.

Tom

I think everyone should spend a summer picking fruit or vegetables. It gives you a sense of perspective, not to mention a respect for hard work and education.

The illegals who are doing the menial jobs, should they be granted amnesty, we would find literally millions of people now receiving EIC and Medicaid.

Cathys taxes -- you have a major point there. The problem is that the government throws a fit and says that we are exploiting the developmenetally delayed individuals instead of helping them. The last time I saw a developmentally challenged person work, the state required that a social worker go to work with them and oversee what they were doing. If there was a problem with the person's work, the employer could not talk to the employee -- they had to talk to the social worker. The state was saying that the employer could not possibly understand the limitations of the person and work with that, but that the social worker could. By doing that it just caused a lot of confusion and set the individual up to be fired. Mainly because the social worker was trying to keep the person from doing their job...

When I worked for the CA Franchise Tax Board for a short stint as a student intern, the early returns coming in were, for the most part, illegals. How do I know? Because I was doing social security mismatches. They were getting W-2s, paying payroll, etc. Earned income credit was not a big thing then...you didn't get a big welfare payment for filing with a lot of kids. Why did these people file? Someone told me it was because they thought they had a better chance for citizenship if they filed their taxes.

When Tax Writer wrote "By the way, my family is all Catholic, we own guns, and we all vote", I had to go check her profile, I thought she was from the western Pa, NY or Midwest, Plains or Mountain states. Now Calif own guns and are religious... didn't think that was possible:)

Well, to be honest, it's my husband that owns all the guns. Technically, California is a community property state so I own them, too.. but we're just splitting hairs.

Our gun safe is taller than me!

The hubby and I had a little "come to Jesus" meeting after he crashed a motorcycle and injured himself pretty bad. No more motorcycles after that... but the guns are okay. I can't take it all away from him...Men must have their toys.

Tax Writer

I was talking to an illegal Mexican recently and here's how it went:

Me: Jose, who is your favorite American?

Jose: El Presidente Reagan. He make America just like Mexico.

Me: You mean a little of that el trickle down stuff?

Jose: Si. El trickle. But it never trickle.

Me: A few rich padrons at the top, and a lot of cheap labor below, is that it? No middle class?

Jose: Si Senor. "Reaganomico". I never get homesick in America no more. You Americans made America into Mexico for me.

Me: You can thank the Elephant party for that Jose. The did make America into Mexico.

Jose: One day we laugh at you Gringos when you try to get work in China, no?

Me: I comprehend it only too well Jose. Saint Reagan, the patron saint of the American banana republic. Well, as far as I'm concern Jose, you're welcome here. We did it to ourselves. Enjoy the bananas.

Jose: You want me to give you your Nahautl lesson now, Senor Crow?

Me: That's ok, I already speak a fair Nahautl, especially after I partake of a little of that fermented agave juice.

Jose: Adios for now, see you in Peking one day Senor Crow!

Me: Thank you Jose, I feel like a Peking duck right now, a cooked one.

@joanmcq, You beat me to it. Many of my friends did that as a summer job as well.

"Our Lord (to Corez), how you must have suffered (during your illegal immigration), how fatigued you must be."

I guess the Chinese will be saying the same thing to us after we swim over there looking for a job one day. Americans will learn what this "free market", "welfare for the rich" and lowest common denominator thinking really is.

What we need is an international minimum wage, so that labors' lack of short-term mobility can't be taken advantage of in an artificial way by greedy, lazy hyper-capitalists.

I don't know about this. With all due respect, this is the help I've seen from these super Christians....Not much.

How many times have I seen new carpet for the church, and a new organ, and a pay raise for some lazy preacher who can't even preach to begin with, and the POOR schlepping along in the shadows outside of these churches? I've had to walk over poor people at the door of a church to hurl tomatoes at a fat Baptist minister ("fat" covers about every one of them).

Those Southern Baptists don't miss a meal brother, let me tell you. If they could eat their way to heaven, they'd already be there. I had a friend from Bangladesh who fainted when he saw how a Southern Baptist cleaned up a plate of fried chicken and biscuits (and left no tip for the waitness who works her legs off).

Once I found a dead man at the door of an inner-city fundamentalist church (I am not kidding). I asked one lamb who went to the church why they didn't help him, and she said he hadn't been dunked, but only sprinkled, and "he weren't good enough to feed and save". Her words.

Lo! 50 cent in the Salvation Army bucket ain't going to cut it in helping the poor. Nor is a few free canned goods during Christmas, and a bunch of old clothes you throw out.

Hark! The Lord said give to it hurts. The widder gave her last two mites!

First thing is to cut out all this "missionary" activity, which is just an excuse for these church people to go on an expense paid tour, and amounts to a boondoggle. Bunch of silly Americans running around foreign countries in ridiculous clothes preaching the "Gospel", and a simpleton's Gospel at that. All so-called "missonary work" should be taxed, and missionaries put in kindergarten until they repent of foreign vacations.

Remember that so-called Christian lady who tried to steal those babies in Haiti? She needs to go home and get the real missionary going, and have her own kids. Then she can preach a simpleton's version of the Gospel to them, and confuse them to no end when they see mama say one thing and do another.

P.S. We also need to get rid of this silly cartoon-"Christianity" on cable TV, and I've already wrote my county commissioner and threatened to sue him over it. However, I'm afraid if I get one devil gone, seven more will come in worse than the one that left. Like Jesus said. These people on these Cartoon Christian Networks are all trying to trick poor people into giving money so they'll be rich one day. It's the crooked ministers that end up rich.

It's the policies of people like Saint Ronald Reagan that has put so many people out of work to begin with. When Americans get a job today, it's part-time and you can barely survive on it. That's the new America, a bunch of part-time jobs. The dream come true of St. Ronald and Queen Nancy. Let the poor help the rich get richer (and richer).

So if the government is helping people today, it SHOULD be helping them, and the Elephants should be taxed double for what they've done to our country.

As far as welfare. Let's go back to the tax cut for the rich in 2001 (approved by that idiot Alan Greenspan), passed under George II. The tax cut was NOT paid for, it got added to the deficit. It was a handout to rich people who did not need a handout. It was welfare pure and simple. Just like the welfare for Wall Street.

This is what the Elephants do over and over again. Hand money to rich people. The false theory (or LIE) is that it will "trickle down" to you. These nice rich people will throw something your way, is the story they tell. Well, the old saying is if you are going to tell a lie, tell a big one, and the chief Elephants certainly know how to trick the junior Elephants and lie to them.

The Jack Ass Party is only a little better nowdays, but they are better. Good luck. You can't change these junior elephants until they find their own self out of a job.

And if the Elephant says it's not the governments money to begin with, you remind the Elephant how many government services he takes for granted, including the Department of War (aka Department of Defense). These Chief Elephants are tearing the country down with their corporate welfare and welfare for the rich.

P.S. I want to remind everyone that we have had this Reaganomic thinking since 1980, and look what has happened to our middle class during this time.

Finally, the pastors in most churches in America today are so dumb that they don't realize when Jesus was talking about helping the poor, he meant it. A lot of these pastors today need to get their noses out of the r*ctums of the rich so they can see to help the poor.

You own the house. What this boils down to is that if the police show up without a warrant, you can let them in and they can find the guns even though your boyfried might object. lol.

As far as shooting those guns, he's never going to give you the good gun. Watch him, he might try to fiddle with your sight, or put butter or gun oil on your trigger.

A lot of women shoot more accurate than men do, and it's a good thing to remind him of that.

Just take you some whiteout and put on your sight and you'll be ok because you'll be able to see it, and you'll outshoot him.

And then we have a left coaster that makes me think I am back in the 60's. Marijuana, LSD, Free Love and anything goes. No need for societal norms ... crack babies, single moms, kids who don't know their fathers, STD epidemic in teens ... all no problem.

It's all enough to depress me, if I wasn't going fishing again.