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Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
Put this in the 'Right Church, Wrong Pew' department, or the "another reason not to put real estate in a corporation," department,or probably best, Tax Court sticks to the letter of the law.

"Neither of their appraisals appraised the correct asset. Instead of appraisals of the Chateau stock conntributed to FHR, the Evenchiks gave the Commissioner appraisals of the underlying assets that Chateau held." I have no idea if the personal representative who represented the estate was an attorney, but doubt if any lawyer could have done much with this problem.

http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/InOpHistoric/Estofevenchik.TCM.WPD.pdf (Evenchik)

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
You would think that people donating such sizable assets would pay a couple hundred dollars to work with a qualified, experienced tax professional, in carrying out the donation transaction. Unfortunately, like with John Hewitt (cited in this case), they don't. While I'm sorry they lose the deduction, I can't say that I have sympathy for their not seeking professional advice in carrying out the donation. Penny wise and pound foolish.

Mjtaxpro (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
Right on Kevin

Ckenefick (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
I agree for the most part. We have rules here and they need to be followed. At the same time, however, we must remember the ultimate reason why we get to deduct charitable donations: It lessens the burden of government. Given this, we'd think the government might be a bit more flexible if (1) a guy can prove he donated something worth $x, regardless of all the strict formalties, so long as we have substantial compliance, and so long as any benefit received in return has been accounted for in arriving at $x and (2) his tax return shows $x as the deduction. All the government is doing in these cases is screwing the taxpayer and receiving a double benefit - no reduction in taxes for the taxpayer, yet, the public purpose of reducing the burdens of government has been fulfilled because the donation was made.

Again, I say all this with the important qualification that the value can be proven, it is not fake, it is not inflated, a good faith effort was made, etc. We saw a little bit of this in a recent conversation easement case where, I think it was the deed, was deemed to satisify the substantiation requirement...according to the judge.

Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
No, Chris. Congress wanted it this way, and this is what they got. If you don't like the result, you'll have to complain about Congress, okay. Congress is to blame, and don't you forget it.

Ckenefick (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
Thank you for setting me straight.

Was reading a case about a local guy here in town:

Belk, B.V., Jr., (2013) Tax Ct 140 TC No 1.

$10.5m charitable contribution...denied...

Kevinh5 (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
Again, Chris, do you think this guy could have sprung for some tax advice from a pro? Or was he thinking he didn't need one?

Ckenefick (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
This is not the kind of case that deserves leniency - "Here, let me give you this land, but I have the power to substitute different land for this here land at any given time." What the hell? Even if this case gets appealed, I don't think he stands a chance.

I'm talking about the guy that gives money to his church and gets a bogus acknowledgement. Or a guy that gives stock, wherein we all know what the value is, but gets denied nonetheless. I have a feeling that in some of these cases, the taxpayer was a real a-hole and the IRS didn't take kindly to it.

But in all fairness to the government, it is the tax-paying public that got loosey goosey with their donations that led to the clamp down.

Cap'n Crunch (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
You just described John Hewitt to a T.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

20 February 2013
When Congress gives the Court 'tight construction' the judges run with it, but in other areas (think Harry's 'trade or business') we sometimes puzzle over decisions. The other day we discussed Saunders (metropolitan area) and mentioned Bogue in the same breath, but reading the latter makes me so suspicious since he depended on his fiance to give him a place of business.

Ckenefick (talk|edits) said:

21 February 2013
I'm talking more along the lines of IRS agents, than judges. Here's the Ducks Unlimited case.

http://taxtrials.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AverytMemo.TCM_.WPD.pdf

Contribution was $5.5m and taxpayer wins.

My point, in a case like this, is why is this even getting to trial when the one issue is just a piece of paper - the acknowledgement? Really? The record shows that Congress wanted to promote conservation donations. The record shows the taxpayer donated over 1,000 acres of land to a qualifying charity. Appraisal says it was worth $5.5m. Quite frankly, it's silly.

The reason it gets attacked is because it's an easy target, a big dollar amount and sticks out like a sore thumb on a 1065. It's much easier to deny a $5.5m deduction than it is to catch 110 taxpayers that willfully failed to report $50k of income each.

Podolin (talk|edits) said:

21 February 2013
We saw a little bit of this in a recent conversation easement case... I granted just such an easement to my wife. It gives her unlimited rights in perpetuity to have conversations with herself in her closet. I claimed no deduction, but if it works it is very valuable, so I am glad spousal gifts are not taxed.

Ckenefick (talk|edits) said:

21 February 2013
Don't be such a chauvinist. We are about to witness the first ever female winner of a Nascar event.

Podolin (talk|edits) said:

21 February 2013
I am not a male chauvinist. True, my spouse is female, but I'd gladly grant a similar easement to many people I know, male or female. The trouble is, they are so valuable, I'd be paying gift tax. I think the gift tax is the only reason others have not granted me a conversation easement. I failed to mention that my wife has done so.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

21 February 2013
http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/InOpHistoric/Scheidelman.TCM.WPD.pdf

and the sequel (rather the remand)

http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/InOpHistoric/ScheidelmanMemo.TCM.WPD.pdf

Ms. Scheidelman was a far cry from Mr. Belk. Her accountant comes off pretty good here (he disappears from the storyline early).

Ckenefick (talk|edits) said:

22 February 2013
Ok, D&T, go ahead and post Crimi.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

22 February 2013
Of course, it happened in New Jersey: http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/InOpHistoric/JohnC.TCM.WPD.pdf

Happy Valentine's Day, Mr. Crimi, or rather Mr. LaForge!! Should we send a copy to the Durdens?

Ckenefick (talk|edits) said:

22 February 2013
Again, why does the IRS try these cases...wetlands, endangered species, given to a local government, etc...

Wiles (talk|edits) said:

22 February 2013
Re: Crimi, my research editorial provides the following:

Further, the Court found that the August 16 letter as a whole effectively stated that the $1,550,000 cash consideration was the only consideration the county provided for the contributed property. Thus no other superfluous statement (i.e., a statement as to whether the donee provided any goods or services in exchange) was required.

Really? The letter 'effectively' stated that was the 'only' consideration? And a church statement title "Annual Giving" does not 'effectively' state the same thing? That clears things up.

Ckenefick (talk|edits) said:

22 February 2013
The key word might be "only." If a church gives an Annual Giving statement that doesn't say anything about benefits received in return, then we have a problem. Maybe Crimi was lucky that this was a bargain sale and he actually received consideration.

And I too wonder what "effectively" means...

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

22 February 2013
102 Pages!! I will take it to the beach this summer. Look at all the lawyers, expert witnesses, etc. Hope Crimi had some money left after paying them!

Wiles (talk|edits) said:

22 February 2013
When I go to the store, they give me a receipt, not a "Giving Statement". It seems like the word "Giving" would 'effectively' imply giving

Ckenefick (talk|edits) said:

22 February 2013
It's going the other way. Crimi received $1.5m or so in exchange for his donation, a bargain sale. The church that gives a "Giving" statement effectively implies that you, as a donor/contributor, gave something...but such a Giving Statement does not speak - in and of itself -to what you may have received by the donor in return.

I think Crimi's statement said, somewhere, somehow: "You only received $1.5m in cash." It didn't say, "You only rec'd $1.5m in cash and nothing else" or "You received $1.5m in cash and that's it. You got nothing else in return." Hence the judge's comment that adding the "and nothing else" was superfluous.

Spell Czech (talk|edits) said:

22 February 2013
Once upon a time, my client handed me a blank sheet of letterhead from the charity to which he had given a whole lot of money. Gives new meaning to the idea that you should trust your preparer.

DonPriebe (talk|edits) said:

23 February 2013
The blank receipt form is the normal procedure for donations to our local Rescue Mission. They're in a box by the door; all pre-signed; help yourself.

Podolin (talk|edits) said:

23 February 2013
Same with Purple Heart.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

23 February 2013
And years ago there were 'tax guys' with a drawer in their desk with blank receipts. (Not me!!!)

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