Discussion:Mechanics of Reporting S-Corp Distribution

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Treetop (talk|edits) said:

28 January 2007

Scenario 1 (Profit Scenario):

Suppose the S-Corp has always been an S Corp, I have 1 shareholder, 100,000 of stock,the company has 20,000 in AAA and this year has a profit of 10,000. The client takes a 5,000 draw/distribution.

I think I report the 5000 distribution on line 7 of the Schedule M2, Distributions other than dividend distributions AND also on line 16d of the K-1.

Is this correct?


Scenario 2 (Loss Scenario): Suppose the S-Corp has always been an S Corp, I have 1 shareholder, 100,000 of stock,the company has -20,000 in AAA and this year has a loss of 10,000. The client takes a distribution/draw of 5,000.

I think I report the 5000 distribution on line 7 of the Schedule M2, Distributions other than dividend distributions BUT I do NOT report the 5000 distribution on line 16d of the K-1.

I am looking at the old tax return- the old accountant decreased line 24 of the Sch L's retained earnings from the 10,000 loss it suffered to 10,000 loss + 5,000 distribution = 15,000 loss for retained earnings. Is that right?

I thought the 5,000 was suppose to decrease the stock. So I was going to enter 100,000 stock- 5,000 distribution = 95,000 capital stock on line 22 of the Sch L.

So, to recap: do I report the distribution on the K-1? and where do I report the distribution on the Sch L, the retained earnings, or the stock?

FTF65 (talk|edits) said:

January 29, 2007
Scenario 1: this is correct.

Scenario 2: distributions always get reported on schedule K and K-1. Distributions that cause AAA to go negative do not get reported on line 7 of M-2. The AAA is an account of the S corporation, not the shareholder. Its sole purpose is to track the amount of taxable income that has been reported by the shareholder and is therefore available to be distributed tax free. If AAA is zero or negative, there is no previously taxed income available for distribution (note: if the S corporation has tax exempt income to distribute, there may be a reportable distribution on line 7 of M-2 even though AAA is negative). As for schedule L presentation, as long as the distribution hits some component of equity (i.e., retained earnings or capital stock) it really doesn't matter (note: an S corporation is a passthrough entity, so shareholder basis equals capital stock account plus retained earnings).

Treetop (talk|edits) said:

29 January 2007
Thank you FTF65- I looked at other discussions on tax forum, and was still a little confused, this makes it really clear!

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

January 29, 2007
Just to complete this, when #2 happens, flush. Oh, sorry...scenario #2: two choices as I see it, tho' some disagree. You can pick up income to the extent of the distribution in excess of basis, which is never returned or credited, btw. OR, you can create a note from the s/h back to the corp, with AFR+ rates...and ensure that one way or another...real money, profits earned and not distributed in cash which can then be used to offset...it gets repaid.

Treetop (talk|edits) said:

23 February 2007
...one last question, for scenario 2:

Assume my Retained Earnings on Sch L is (20,000) beginning balance + (10,000) net income for the year + (5,000) draw= (35,000).

However, by not reporting the 5,000 draw on Sch M-2, now my Sch M-2 line 8 (Balance at the end of tax year) is (20,000) Beg balance + (10,000) net income for the year= (30,000).

My line 8 M-2 ending balance does does not equal my Sch L retained earnings line 24.

Is this correct? I've never seen a tax return where these 2 did not balance before.....

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

February 23, 2007
It must balance, and you can't take a distribution when you have negative AAA/Ret. Earnings. Show is as NP S/H negative 5 or NR S/H and you should be ok.

Treetop (talk|edits) said:

23 February 2007
This company is never going to earn money, and they are never going to pay these distributions back, so I don't want to set up a note receivable or note payable. Should I reduce the capital stock account instead? Lacerte is automatically hitting the retained earnings (which is negative) when I enter the distribution on line 16d of the Sch K. I guess I could override.

Treetop (talk|edits) said:

23 February 2007
.....I'm never going to get paid by this client, am I?

Bottom Line (talk|edits) said:

23 February 2007
Get your money now. I think I hear a bankruptcy coming

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

February 23, 2007
And if it will never make money, then bite the bullet and take the excess distribution to cap gains and be done with it.

Treetop (talk|edits) said:

23 February 2007
1) Whether I record the distribution as a Sch K capital loss or as a line16d distribution, Lacerte is still hitting the RE account on Sch L as the other side of the transaction, which still makes the M2 ending balance line 8 not equal the Sch L RE. So, I guess I am still reducing the capital stock and overriding the RE to equal the M-2 account.

Agreed?

2) Just to satisfy my curiosity, , when there is no AAA, no E&P, negative RE, and no capital stock left, where on the Sch L do you record the capital gain? I guess the only thing left is to hit the RE anyway?

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

February 23, 2007
I've never done it, so until someone else comes along, you record the cap gain on the 1040, and that increases the basis again on the 1120S. Now where would that go? Add'l Paid in Capital I believe...? Best guess for now.


PGW1964 (talk|edits) said:

3 March 2007
I still am confused about this (related discussion: Discussion:S corporation dissolving - sole proprietorship forming). If the corporation's stock is $200 and you have excess distributions of $10,000 and will be recording excess as a capital gain on 1040, how do you record the negative balance on the Sch L? I don't want to record negative s/h loan as it won't be paid back but I don't see how it could be add'l paid in capital because it is a debit balance. Any advice would be appreciated.

XZiler8r (talk|edits) said:

17 March 2007
In pGW's case, would you reduce capital stock by 200 from the 10000, and the rest (9800) would be given as distributions?

Treetop (talk|edits) said:

19 July 2007
To distribute in excess of AAA,

If you choose to decrease the capital account, think of it as a return of capital.

Cash (credit)
Capital Stock (debit)

But most owners don't like to mess with the capital stock.

So, to recap: if you decide to not effect the stockholder's equity, you can either post an accounting/bookkeeping entry as loan to shareholder:

the owner takes a draw:

cash (credit)
draw (debit)

close the accounts at the end of the year:

draw (credit)
loan to shareholder (debit)

(remember, you have to also calculate interest)

or simply take a capital gain.

the owner takes a draw:

cash (credit)
draw (debit)

close the accounts at the end of the year:

draw (credit)
RE (debit)


on the tax side (for distribution in excess of AAA) for Lacerte:

simply put the capital gain (the draw that is in excess of AAA) on line 17 of the K-1, other information. Example:Long term capital gain (Cash distribution in excess of AAA) $10,000

Then, on your Sch D of the 1040, you put the same thing: Long term capital gain (Cash distribution in excess of AAA) $10,000


This way, your RE and M-2 account balance out. It isn't a capital gain on line 7 or 8a of the K-1- you didn't sell an asset.

This way, your books are in balance with your tax RE, your sch K is in harmony with your K-1s, and the appropriate gain is recorded on Sch D. Otherwise, you must override, with the result that your books don't tie to your tax, or your Sch K doesn't tie to your K-1s.

TonyM (talk|edits) said:

19 July 2007
AAA M-2 does not have to equal retained earnings.

Taxability of S-corp distributions are determined at the shareholder level not the corp. Distributions in excess of stock basis are taxable at the shareholder level.

Blrgcpa (talk|edits) said:

19 July 2007
Forget the capital stock. It has to be equal to the par value of the issued stock, thus can't be changed. Set up a shareholder loan acct and have the owner write a note stating the interest to be paid. If there is an existing loan acct you can just adjust it. That's the best way to handle the matter.

If the AAA is -0- or a debit balance, you don't have anything to distribute.

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