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Taxcpa (talk|edits) said:

13 March 2010
“C” corp. owned real estate property and converted to LLC. However, it treated as sale of assets and did not have any monetary transaction. All assets and liabilities were transferred to LLC as book value. Then the corporation filed Form 966 under Section 336. Do you see any problems?

Laketahoecpa (talk|edits) said:

13 March 2010
How is the LLC going to be taxed - corporation, partnership or disregarded entity?

If its going to be taxed as corporation then I see no problem - would be F reorganization I believe.

If its going to be taxed as partnership or disregarded entity then yes you may have problems. It will be treated as if the property was distributed out of the corporation to the shareholder(s) who then contributed to LLC. The distribution will be deemed sale of real estate at FMV. Did they treat it as sale at book value?

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 13, 2010
Yeah, I didn't want to be the first..."do you see any problems?" Well......a. there is no such thing as convert from a corp to anything, I wish pros would get that part. And the assets 'distributed' are a sale at fair value, with gain RECOGNITION (read: TAXED). Inc'ing is a ONE WAY road, dead end. You don't come back for free.

Taxcpa (talk|edits) said:

14 March 2010
The LLC is going to be taxed as partnership. The real estate value is down now. Therefore, the sale of asset will be the loss situation. Then, the property will be contributed back to LLC at net book value.

JR1 (talk|edits) said:

March 15, 2010
At the fair market value that you sold it out of the corp.

IDrinkYour Milkshake (talk|edits) said:

15 March 2010
I've seen a corp convert to an LLC actually. It's allowed in CA (Form LLC-1A). I never dealt with a tax return involving the situation though. What are your thoughts on that?

Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said:

15 March 2010
My thoughts are that the IRS doesn't see the transaction the way California sees it. Maybe there's an explanation of the *income tax* repercussions of this conversion somewhere in the California tax rules.

There's something in Florida that somebody mentioned somewhere that does something like this. I'll bet Florida isn't worried about the income tax consequences...

Laketahoecpa (talk|edits) said:

15 March 2010
I think this is the real issue - when corporation distributes property to shareholders, there are two taxable transactions.

First, the corporation recognizes gain or loss (I believe loss is recognized on liquidating distributions as long as property is distributed pro-rata to the shareholders). - §336

Second, amounts received by a shareholder in a distribution in complete liquidation of a corporation are treated as received in full payment in exchange for the shareholder's stock. In other words, when a shareholder receives a liquidating distribution from a corporation, the shareholder is treated as if the shareholder sold its stock to the corporation in exchange for the money and/or other property received in the distribution (§331(a)).

So you would need to know shareholder's basis in the stock and compare to the fmv of property received (less any liabilities assumed along with the property) to see what kind of gain/loss there is at individual level.

LH2004 (talk|edits) said:

March 15, 2010
The interesting case is where the corporation is taxed as a partnership, and the LLC is taxed as a corporation, where you have to remember the order in which the deemed contribution and deemed liquidation are deemed to happen.

Of course, it's mostly interesting because you have to figure out how a corporation can be taxed as a partnership.

Eapat (talk|edits) said:

15 March 2010
Different wrinkle

LLC chose S corp status--husband/wife 2008. Haven't paid any wages either year. Don't want to deal with payroll tax issues--he is only employee. Does S corp status change taxing a conversion? Will filing 1065 for 2009 make the conversion effective 1/1/09?

Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said:

15 March 2010
I'm going to invoke cloture and call for the question.

Let's vote now; here's the proposal: "A corporation can convert to an LLC."

Vote either yes or no. If the motion passes, those who voted for it will be expected to explain the federal income tax consequences of such a conversion to the corporation and to its shareholders.

LH2004 (talk|edits) said:

March 15, 2010
Yes. See Section 266 of the Delaware General Corporation Law, for example. But, I will change my vote for an appropriate bribe.

There are no tax consequences to the mere change; the consequences will result only from a change in tax classification. (If they're both taxed as corporations, it's a bit of a riddle whether it's nothing or an F reorganization, but nobody will care.) Those results are the same as those provided in reg. sec. 301.7701-3(g) for a change in box-checking status. If the corporation is taxed as a corporation and the LLC as a partnership, it's a liquidation of the corporation (which will be taxable) followed by contribution of the assets to a new partnership; if the corporation is taxed as a partnership and the LLC as a corporation, it's a corporate contribution, which may or may not qualify under sec. 351, followed by a distribution of shares to the partners.

Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said:

15 March 2010
"...a liquidation of the corporation (which will be taxable)...." Yeah, and double-taxable.

Laketahoecpa (talk|edits) said:

16 March 2010
To Eapat:

I don't think you have the option to convert back to partnership. Under check the box, once you've elected corp treatment, I think your stuck with it for 5 years. I believe only way to be treated as partnership before 5 years is up is to dissolve original entity (and deal with ramifications of liquidating a corp) and form brand new LLC - new secretary of state filings, FEIN, etc.

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