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CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

28 July 2009
You better know the ropes about Twitter and Tweeter, and all the other social networking (crap) if you want a job in todays highly skilled work environment!http://www.ajc.com/business/social-media-skills-become-crucial-for-job-hunters-102247.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

Boy, this is a another bright idea, isn't it? You have to figure that employees are wasting at least 5 hours a day now between the internet and the cell phone.

American business NOW determines that the way to achieve world dominiation is to have the employees waste 8 hours a day "communicating"! Way to go guys!

How did we ever make it with just a telephone?

P.S. And, as far as marketing goes, I personally find it offensive when someone pretends to be in "communication" with me, when in fact their true intent is to sell me a product, or to create buzz about a product. When I detect such SPAM attempts, it actually turns me off toward the product.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

July 28, 2009
Agreed. I attended a meeting the topic of which was the pros and cons of social networking. It's way too easy for someone to pretend to be someone else on these sites. And did you notice the definition of "friend" is now changed? It's not the buddy you went to school with who shared your experiences. It's the person whom you've never met but chatted with online.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

29 July 2009
Yep. We have now turned into such a "consumer culture" that a friend is defined as a person who helps you to consume. It's sick. It's Orwellian (actually, it's worse).

I think a lot of the younger people are subject-object directed today, instead of being subject-subject directed. Well, come to think of it, some of their older bosses are object directed too, I guess.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

29 July 2009
Actually I don't want to hear from school buddies, or old neighbors, or people I worked with years ago. There are reasons for losing touch.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

29 July 2009
From an HR perspective, I really think this is a way to engage in facially permissive age discrimination. In other words, they could care less about social networking, they just know that younger people have exposure to this stuff, and older people generally don't, or not to the same degree.

So, if challanged, the co. can say: oh,this is business related, and has nothing to do with age discrimination, and get away with it.

I really wonder about this though. I couldn't take an employee seriously that was twittering all day. I wouldn't want my doctor twittering or tweeting to pass the time of day, lol. I'd rather he be reading a medical journal, or even playing golf!

On the other hand, maybe that's what we did on the bar stools in the old days. I've already offended several of my relatives my refusing to participate in Facebook. I'll accept the invitations, but I don't participate. I just can't get excited about reports on the brand of cat food my cousin uses, or the domestic trivia that some find so interesting.

AcadeTax (talk|edits) said:

30 July 2009
You guys sound like Statler & Waldorf sitting around on the park bench - "when I was a young we didn't do it that way, kids these days!" what are you, 100? Do you really think Twitter, FB, LinkedIn are going away? I've actually generated clientele from these sites. Don't think of it in the old classic advertising sense "Hey, buy my product" it's more like the more people who become aware of you and their friends hear about you the more front of mind you become to them i.e. networking. At least try LinkedIn as they are more business and less social.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

30 July 2009
Screw the product! Is that what I was put on earth for? To sing the glory of the product (or the service)? Jesus, the brainwashing appears to be working too well.

I hope they will go away, myself. In fact, since most of these tech. companies are just a flash in the pan anyway, I can see the public tiring of this drivel.

Heck, I remember the glory days of Yahoo, Netscape, and Aol.com. Now they are seen as soooo uncool!

They used to say sell the sizzle, and not the steak. Now, they have perfected it to the point where all they sell is sizzle because there is no steak.

P.S. Arcade, don't take me personally, some of us old codgers are just rising up from the park benches in protest...it'll be a vain protest, I'm sure.

P.P.S. And look what happened to this poor fellow. One wonders if he was "texting" at the time of the accident. This proves that when you take out the old fashioned pencil and paper and work a math problem, only apples fall on your head. When you are a techno genius, 100lb limbs fall on you!http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/07/30/2009-07-30_horror_in_park_fells_dad_of_2_100lb_limb_crashes_onto_google_engineer.html

I hope the man recovers, but I won't be making this mistake!

AcadeTax (talk|edits) said:

30 July 2009
That internet thing, it's just a fad anyways...and it's Acade BTW (a made up word sort of like Toyota names their cars). Also, they have to hear the sizzle so they know your cooking a steak (or at least smell it).

Incognito (talk|edits) said:

30 July 2009
Social networking sounds like busy-ness with no end product. Playing World of Warcraft all day could be considered social networking. Time is limited, so where do you steal the time from? Your employer, your family, your sleep. Sure, Web 2.0 is great for marketing, but if you are the consumer, then you are getting the life sucked out of you.

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

30 July 2009
Gee whiz, Acade, how old are you? We aren't 100, some of us we using PC's before the PC revolution. Some of us used the Apple Lisa, the forerunner to the McIntosh and one of the IBM PC's. The company where I was the former controller was one of the first to start using the Internet before it became fashionable. We aren't computer illiterate around here. We also don't yearn for the old days of the 5 1/4" floppy disks and 20MB hard drives either.

The point Crow and I absolutely agree with him and Natalie, is with these social sites such as Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc. is they can be anonymous. Anyone can say or do anything they pretty much want. If one of your clients, potential employers or potential customers see this type of information, it could create problems for you.

No, the Internet is not a fad. It's here to stay. But you have to be careful. Look at Wikipedia; some of those entries on there have been flat out wrong and suspect. I never go there as a first source, trust me.

Also, look at Erin Andrews for crying out loud. She's pretty darn good looking and as a result that poor women had a video plastered of her naked for all the frat house boys to see. Now she is holed up in her home because her privacy has been absolutely violated.

Another case in point: today I signed up for Facebook because I have been looking for a good friend I worked with who was missing. He got married earlier this year. To make a long, difficult story short, someone posted information on his page that he died yesterday. Sadly, it was true (I called his widow), but what if it wasn't? It would have upset a lot of people for nothing.

Natalie makes a great observation. People today on Facebook wanted to be my "friends". I didn't know them at all! What the heck is that about? Go away people I don't know, I will make my own friends and I have plenty. I actually do consider many people here friends because I have spoken to several via my personal e-mail address and on the phone.

Whatever happened to picking up a phone and calling someone as Crow mentions? It isn't that hard.

Just because you got a few clients from it doesn't mean anything. People always want to hear and see their accountant. I call my clients just so they hear my voice. Some I've never physically met, but they know me from the phone. I want to meet them personally because that's who I am.

Tom

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

30 July 2009
Tom, we're just antiques, relics of a bygone era. I won't say the same thing about Incognito, Natalie or David, because they can afford the high dollar Hollywood doctors and dentists to keep them in shape.

You have to work for a living in the South, where we're from. That's what whitey did on the plantations of Maryland and Georgia before the War: he worked! If he didn't, he didn't eat. There was no beer drinking with the President back in those days.

If you work hard, your body finally wears out, and you aren't fit to text.

Here I caught my wife the other day sneaking Viagra into my toothpaste. She's drugging me. I had to accept the fact long ago that I'm just a sexual plaything to her, nothing more.

Acade, you young ones are going to win the battle, but lose the war. We know, we've already been there, and got our T-shirts.

AcadeTax (talk|edits) said:

30 July 2009
Like a lot of things, you've got to try it before you can really understand it. First off, all these social networking efforts are in addition to what you do now, not a replacement. It's like saying I don't want an e-mail address what's wrong with just calling people on the phone. Of course you don't have to use Web 2.0 it's just that it's not going away. I am a sole practitioner who started out with my own business 6 years ago and when I was told I should network to market my business, I was like oh yeah I'm going to schmooze these people and blow smoke up their a** about what a great accountant and tax preparer I am, like a used car dealer, then I was invited by different referral groups like BNI and other local groups and I found out they were just a formalization of what I already beleived in, namely word of mouth and referrals being the best way to get new business. I've never had a print ad or been in the yellow pages and my business has been great. The social networking sites, specifically LinkedIn are just online versions of this same concept. Your reference to Facebook reminds me that you have to confirm someone as a "friend" they don't just show up and post on your page. I kind of doubt somone who you accept as a friend is then going to lie about the death of one of your other friends, if he did you can always remove him. Twitter is used by a lot of businesses to just post little messages to those that "follow" you like "10% early bird discounts to any returns done in January" or "got questions about the first time homebuyer credits call me at xxx-xxxx"

Try em out, you can visit em once a week for 10 minutes to do stuff like this.

Just some thoughts, not being pushy.

AcadeTax (talk|edits) said:

30 July 2009
By the way, I'm 47 and my first computer was the Mac box with the 9" b/w screen and 512K of memory and yes, I wouldn't post anything on any of your sites that you wouldn't want a client to see, that goes without saying, although I just did.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

30 July 2009
Acade, you got to understand, some of us around here go back to the time of the carrier pigeon. Then, we got a party line if we were lucky. So, even a private phone line is still a bit of a novelty to some of us.

It's what Alvin Toffler referred to as Future Shock. We've seen the future, and we're shocked at how sorry it all turned out!

I'll be willing to try some of your suggestions, as long as I don't need any new passwords or registrations.

I've signed up for so many things over the years, I feel like I've been compromised.

Actionbsns (talk|edits) said:

31 July 2009
I had two friends invite me to join LinkeIn (is that right?), anyway, I did start putting information in but it seemed that this was a great way to open the door to identity theft, so I have an incomplete profile there. I don't really understand how to use it and I'm not sure I want to take the time. I'm still angry about having to take time about 30 years ago to have "phone" lessons on a new phone system that was put into an office I worked at and "typing" lessons to learn a new word processor my boss purchased. Some things are just so basic it doesn't seem like we should have to take time to learn them all over again. And who, in Maryland or North Dakota or some other far far away place is going to want to use my little service? I'm not convinced that LinkedIn or Facebook or Twitter is going to do me enough good to stop and learn more about it. I still like the pick up the phone and talk to me approach.

Taocpa (talk|edits) said:

31 July 2009
The phone, I still believe is your best weapon. There were times I could be on phone calls all day long and I loved every second. Unfortunately, due to things beyond my control, those days are gone and most clients understand I am not avoiding them, I just can't talk as well or long as was able.

As you said, who is going to use your services from MD or North Dakota? I don't expect someone from Hawaii to call me to use my little practice. It would be silly.

But this is my largest problem with the Internet: it's the anonymity factor. Here is another great example: I sit on the board of organization and the organization was given a major contract. I was on a message board and someone had a user name I could not decipher. This individual posted they knew who got the contract when that information was not public knowledge. People on the message board started clamoring for information. I jumped in and asked how this person knew. I universally use the same user name at most message boards. He immediately knew who I was and took back his post. At the next board meeting, he apologized to me and I told him it was okay, just be careful next time.

I joined Linkedin and Twitter, but I barely go to those sites. As I said, I joined Facebook and got the surprise of my life this afternoon. I am still reeling and devastated from the shock. It's no way to find out about a good friend. A phone call would have been better in this case.

Tom

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

31 July 2009
Acade, I completely agree with you in that it is another tool used for networking. Although, I use my Facebook <FB,for those in the know> more for personal networking, although I have gotten "friend" business from it. I have a few clients who found me, and I make sure they are clients who can handle my more true personality. I tell them that they need to understand that this is my personal place but there is a huge upswing for business. I haven't gotten into the Linkedin or Twitter yet, but I see there uses. I will eventually create "business" FB page as well.

Obviously the Journal of Accountancy agrees with you as well as they have recently created a page and I have become FB friends with one of their senior editors.

And Natalie, we have never met, but through the power of the internet, I believe we have become "internet" friends. The same with a few others here. Taxalmanac is it's own little community as well. We still each decide who we let in.

Also, the Md State society of CPA's has their own FB page and often uses it to marshall support for things when needed. the possibilities are endless.

Acade, you need to forgive some of these dinosaurs, they are lovable and extremely intelligent curmudgeons. They mean well, they just sometimes move a bit slow. lol

FB is here to stay guys, Linked in, or some other similar deal is here to stay. I see a morphing of FB where it creates a similar BizBook.com type site that is FB for business.

Acade, my name is Fred. I'll be sending you a friend request later, hope you accept it. Also in NY and have shuffled off to Buffalo way quite often.

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

31 July 2009
Also, if you are positioning yourself as a technology firm, it is important to stay up on these things. Just my humble opinion.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

31 July 2009
I don't worry about identity theft; 'the man who steals my purse, steals trash.' Used to be I could now give a prize to the first person who identified the author of that but with Google etc, it's no use, though I note no one ever identified who said "I am in the twilight of a mediocre career.' Of course, that could have been me, but it was Frank Sullivan.

Funny but the same internet is bringing me articles lately about FB being so passe and getting ready to go the way of the dodo. Before you protest, realize that I know that people who write for the 'net' must have something to say, so a piece on the demise of FB will draw viewers. They probably don't believe it themselves, but want their 15 minutes of fame. I watch my wife spend hours on FB gossiping, printing out posts for future 'throw it back in your face' after the poster has deleted the material, and I saw 'Earth to Pam, Earth to Pam, are you there?' But she proves a point Crow and Tom make; often she will stop and pick up the phone and call the person.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

August 2, 2009
These social networking sites can be useful tools. A certain amount of caution should be used in connection with them, however, given their nature. Personally, I don't have time to monitor a bunch of social networks, email, TA and do my work as well, so I limit the social networking part of it.


Crow, I remember party lines. But I must correct you on your statement about Hollywood doctors to keep me in shape. I use a good old-fashioned bicycle to do that.


Fred, I agree with your comments about TA being a small community. I am concerned, however, about the impact all of this technology has on relationships. Sometimes more credence is given to something that is on the internet than is warranted. I also think that kids today are losing the ability to effectively communicate face to face. We need balance in our lives, and based on what I've seen, it looks like we're tipping toward more and more screen time and less play and social in-person interaction time.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2009
It's particularly bad for the kids. My nephew told me the other day that he liked me better as Version 4.3, and not my older self, Version 10.

I had to explain to him the facts of life, and that we all die (one benefit being that preachers like me get into heaven first, or that's what it says in my church retirement plan, anyway).

Seriously, it's bad for kids, but we're told it "prepares them for the world".

Fsteincpa (talk|edits) said:

2 August 2009
Natalie, I completely agree with you that we can't do it all. But they can be useful when used appropriately. Hey, even here at TA, which is a wonderful research tool/community, we sometimes find ourselves coming here just for the social interaction at times.

And Crow, you are incorrect, we all do not have to die. Personally, I plan to have my head removed and placed onto a robot body. It's quite practical really as one cannot achieve true world domination without the ability to live forever and to shoot laser bursts out of one's palms.


Crow, I must correct you. We all do not have to die. I personally plan

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