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Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

5 June 2011
"In God we trust, all others pay cash" Oh yea?


Is this assinine or what????????? I see that Indiana is doing the same thing, but as I recall, their governor privatized the Indiana Turnpike, so I am not sure if that is worse than the state getting the information.

Natalie (talk|edits) said:

June 6, 2011
That is really scary. We are losing our rights to privacy every where we turn. But some people will support it because it will make things "safer" or somehow better.

What happens when tourists want to drive there? I guess they would be subject to the same rules. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the lawsuit.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

6 June 2011
Are tourists required to get a transponder?

I don't see how that would work.

The next think you'll hear is that they've privatized the Turnpike to make it more "efficient" which really means they handed it over to some of their buddies so they can divide the spoils later on.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

6 June 2011
New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania among others use the EZ-Pass system. Until you have sat for 10-15 minutes trying to get through the toll barrier at Harriman on the NY Thruway, or sat in long lines on the NJ Turnpike or PA Turnpike exits, you have no idea how welcome electronic payment was and is. When I lived in Columbia County New York (Exit 21 of the Thruway) and had to drive to and from Philly, the EZ-Pass cut ten-fifteen minutes off the trip, and eliminated keeping exact change for that segment where I drove the Garden State Parkway.

All said, I think this is carrying things too far.

CrowJD (talk|edits) said:

6 June 2011
In my state, you can't file a deed anymore without a computer.

We lambs go along with this foolishness.

I should be more specific, you can file the deed but not the tax form that is required to go with it. It boils down to the same thing: no account, no deed filed.

So you have to have a credit card or debit card to file a deed and get an special account number for yourself even if you only file one deed in your life. The whole process has to be initiated on the computer.

Not that long ago you handled all this over a counter and you got to meet and talk to real people and these people could help you with a special situation or to get things straightened out if need be; now tiny problems get magnified at an increased cost for all concerned.

Per the state:

"While the vast majority of eFiling is done by filers in their offices, those with no computer may complete the PT-61 form on any PC connected to the Internet. This can be at a library, a friend's house, or at work. As a back-up, filers may fill out the form on a GSCCCA search terminal in the Clerk's office. Helps and definitions are provided on each data fields in the system, so the eFiling application may be easier for filers to complete, than the old paper form. Upon completion of the entry, a copy of the form must be printed out for the closing and filing in the Clerk's office. That form copy must accompany the deed package to the Clerk."

"....so the eFiling application may be easier for filers to complete, than the old paper form." BULL. HOGWASH. BALDERDASH.

All this for "our" convenience.

Bigbrother (talk|edits) said:

6 June 2011
I recently went to Texas to visit some family and drove for a few miles on a highway marked "EZ Pass Only," not realizing at first that it was the whole road (not just certain lanes) that was for EZ Pass. I was almost expecting a ticket in the mail when I got home, but it never came.

Efficiency is great and everything, and I guess I'm not necessarily opposed to funding roads by using tolls, but this is a level of information that I'd rather not give the government. What if I get on their bad side -- even for no good reason, like the 2-year-olds on the no-fly list -- and they use this information to try to prove, along with other circumstanial evidence, that I was doing this or that or the other thing? This is very powerful in combination with the increase in government power we've seen with the last two presidents.

PollyAdler (talk|edits) said:

6 June 2011
Do you object to paying the toll after the road is paid for?

The next thing you will hear is that states will have the brilliant idea to "privatize" the toll roads and get a lump sum payment upfront.

The roads will them become permanent profit centers even after the taxpayer has paid for them in full.

Some of the most crooked deals in America today revolve around this "privatization" scam. Watch the dollar is all I'll say about it.

You couldn't travel around Medieval Europe because there was a troll under every bridge waiting to collect his toll.

Bigbrother (talk|edits) said:

6 June 2011
Polly, you're right, that's another problem with toll roads, that either the government (which shouldn't be profitting) charges more than what's required to pay for construction and maintenance and therefore this is a back-door way of taxing us extra; or it's privatized and a government-sanctioned monopoly is created. It seems like the economic attraction for toll roads is that it's paid for by those that use it, like the post office; but the potential for abuse is cdrtainly problematic.

Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said:

6 June 2011
Here is my friend Paul commenting on one privatizer who decided against running for the White House:


Okie1tax (talk|edits) said:

6 June 2011
Colorado/Denver toll road is cashless. If you don't have the "pass", that's OK, they'll just send you a bill in the mail. Doesn't matter if you are from out-of-state either.

Personally, I like it.

PollyAdler (talk|edits) said:

6 June 2011
I saw something with my own eyes in my area. This happened in the 1990s. I did collection work for about 14 hospitals and 4-5 of them were county hospitals.

Every county where I grew up had a county hospital. These were fully operational hospitals they took insurance etc. etc. They were originally built with tax advantaged bonds so the taxpayer subsidized them. If they made a "profit" it was reinvested in the hospital.

Well the crooks got involved and these hospitals were transferred into non-profit "combines". Since it was a non-profit to non-profit transfer there was NO payment for the physical plant.

I saw with my own eyes what happened next. Salaries for administrators jumped from 60-80K yr to 100-150 a year in no time. Now it's not unusual for a manager of the nursing staff to make over 200K year. CEO can make $400 and up, AND these people get bonuses.

It's legitimate under non-profit law since when they do a salary survey, they find this is the average salary (after they've pushed them up, of course).

Costs have gone up in these hospitals due to administrative salaries. But notice, the county taxpayer never got paid back for his physical plant yet private individuals are milking the hospital for all they can get by way of a "legitimate" salary.

The big thing the large corporations and Wall Street have their eyes on now is the public school system.

But the lie is that it will be "privatized". It won't really be privatized because the government will still send money to these private operators. (I speaking here of large education corporations not a small local private school.)

Then the "private" operators (school management corporations) will pay the local labor (teachers, janitors) peanuts and the profit will get swept out of town overnight and sent to New York, etc.

It comes right out of Main Street and the local economy where the teachers live and spend, and gets sent out of town into fewer and fewer hands. Within a week, it's invested somewhere overseas.

They've already run this scam on the prisons, and they are really chafing at the bit to get their hands on your schools. That's the big plum.

They will "bust these schools out" as Tony Soprano would say. But first they have to run the schools down in a PR campaign to soften the taxpayer into agreeing to their scheme.

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