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Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said:

16 September 2013
I will suggest that tens of millions of dollars have been spent to make the United States Navy Yard in Southeast Washington DC a secure facility. I want my money back. Atrocious and horrific events this morning.

Gazoo (talk|edits) said:

17 September 2013
Human error, Harry. Somehow the man got through the security net. This is very similar to how the Mexicans will get over any fence, no matter how thick we build it, or how far it goes underground, no matter how high we build it, or even if we hook it up to Boulder Dam to give it an electric charge.

Security hardening, big fences, 90 building NSA facilities near D.C. (some of them reaching stories underground and a new h u g e one on the way out West): read: Contractors. Money. Elections.

The strange logic of security is that they have to let a few evildoers slide through. The old joke is that the company let the guard go because there was no crime for one whole year, so why do we need a guard?

The best money the government ever spent was on the old government property sign. "Property of U.S. Government. Tresspassers will be shot." People were terrified of this sign, even though there was no one around for miles to shoot them. $5.00 they paid in the '40s, now it would cost them $50.00/sign...but still a bargain.

I posted that Youtube interview of Prof. & literary critic George Steiner below. He points to people's loneliness and isolation, alienation from community to account for strange religious beliefs. Well, it contributes to all kinds of antisocial acting out besides just strange religious beliefs. It does not excuse it, but it helps explain it. Terrible tragedy.

PollyAdler (talk|edits) said:

17 September 2013
No Crime: No Politzie

No Racism: No NAACP

No Smash and Grab: No Glass Co.

I was convinced one time that a local glass and glazing company was behind a lot of the smash and grab car break-ins in my area. They were paying off the street people to smash and grab a pack of chewing gum or a pair of Raybans! But how could I prove it? Yes, a lot of the street people were wearing nice sunglasses and smacking on gum; but with all the Christmas charities, the homeless could claim they got them as Christmas gifts.

PollyAdler (talk|edits) said:

17 September 2013
Update: CNN: Alexis. "But a friend said Alexis was locked in a dispute over money with the company that contracted him to work for the Navy."

Oh, geez. What next? Where was the impulse control? Was the company treating him right? Again, this would be no excuse for the massacre of innocents (or for any violence).

SumwunLost (talk|edits) said:

17 September 2013
The BBC is reporting that the shooter had been treated for paranoia, trouble sleeping and hearing voices. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24129442.

If that report is accurate, will somebody very high up be asking why his access was not suspended? Or am I looking at this too simplistically?

PollyAdler (talk|edits) said:

17 September 2013
When you get inside the beltway, there are different standards of mental health.

Here is Rep. Louie Gohmert (do I even need to say (R) TX?) discussing the "conspiracy" to plant terror babies in the U.S. so they can grow up as citizens here...I guess.

This is a textbook case of abnormal psychology. You could skip a whole college course in psychology just by watching this video. We have far more evidence to put these people in St. Elizabeth's than we ever had on Ezra Pound.


Spell Czech (talk|edits) said:

17 September 2013
That sign "Property of U.S. Government. Tresspassers will be shot" would be a collectible now, especially with its *typo*.

Harry Boscoe (talk|edits) said:

17 September 2013
Who brought the AR-15 to the site and did anybody get shot with it? Until we know that, I'm trying very hard not to cry.

PollyAdler (talk|edits) said:

17 September 2013
I would venture to guess that someone did get shot with the AR-15. It's hard to aim across a cafeteria with a pistol or a revolver. Plus with the multiple "pops" one would assume that he had it on a semi-automatic setting. The fact he took so many out also points to a high velocity weapon.

Sorry about the slight typo on Trespassers. I was running away from the sign so fast I didn't get a good look at it.

How did he get on the base with a gun? The guard had seen him before and he didn't look, and it's possible that the assailant had the rifle hidden in a saxophone or bass fiddle case.

Human error is likely the culprit. We can spend billions on techno toys, but it always gets down to human error. I am like the rest of the news media, I do not base this post on any actual facts, just from my general knowledge of police work that I've learned from watching police shows on the TV.

I developed a good working knowledge of police procedures during the Atlanta Olympics too. When the culprit called in the bomb report and tried to warn the police, the 911 operators laughed and carried on, and then the bomb went off. Meanwhile, the U.S. government had spent millions in training law enforcement personnel, and posting troops all over town and declared the city "safe for any man or beast engaged in any athletic or spectator pursuit."

The Emperor today is in a permanent state of undress. (By Emperor, I mean the guvment.)

Gazoo (talk|edits) said:

18 September 2013
UPDATE: I am like the rest of the news media, I do not base this post on any actual facts, just from my general knowledge of police work that I've learned from watching police shows on the TV.

Amazing. From what I saw at cbsnews.com, he was not able to buy the AR-15, so he purchased a shotgun.

I have no idea how big the cafeteria is where I hear he did most of his shooting. I guess he used slugs or heavy shot instead of birdshot. Who knows?

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