Discussion:4 Fail Far Right "Sanctity" Pledge

Pledge written by the "Family Leader" group.

I wonder what the Family Leader group thinks about Jerry Seinfeld?

Marriage went from "on the air to on the rocks". Why? Not gays (this time), but guess who?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2x8DtDiWFg

"With Congresswoman Bachmann and former U.S. Sen. Santorum, they read it and right away they said, "You know what, we see nothing in that pledge that we won't adhere to." So I think that kind of showed their executive leadership style." Salon, July 12, 2011

It certainly does.

He had an unsuccessful run for Governor of Iowa. That's his claim to fame.

Much like those famewhores who got divorced over their "being on tv", I could care less.

Tom

If you look back prior to the 1960s there were not many divorces, but you'll notice a high divorce rate among Hollywood stars. Why? Because the rich actresses didn't have to stay in a bad marriage, and they could afford to live without a man.

Once women in America could pay thier own bills, they did not feel trapped into bad marriages by financial necessity and they began to ask for divorce.

I had/has zero to do with gays. The gay "threat" is a total fabrication by the lunatic Right.

It comes out of the lunatic Right "Little Book of Big Lies".

Then again, we ignore people at our peril....in South Germany in 1920-22 there was this funny looking guy going around ranting and appealing to certain people....whatever happened to him.

Women don't have to stay in a bad marriages like they used to.

A deceased, well-known conservative I worked for was against the war in Iraq. No one paid much attention to him and his comments, yet he turned out to be correct.

The press and a bunch of people fawned over Obama in 2008 and now many regret it.

This is why I don't pay attention to many of these pundits.

BTW Crow, I have to disagree about your analysis. It's the people in the marriage that present the issues, not money. I am not threatened by the fact my wife makes more money than me. We have had many tough times, but through it all, we've endured.

Divorce is an easy way out when it gets "too hot in the kitchen". People, at least from what I observed, want things to be easy. The late Scott Peck in his book, "The Road Less Traveled" had it exactly right in his first sentence: "Life is difficult.".

Tom

A deceased, well-known conservative I worked for was against the war in Iraq. No one paid much attention to him and his comments, yet he turned out to be correct.

The press and a bunch of people fawned over Obama in 2008 and now many regret it.

This is why I don't pay attention to many of these pundits.

BTW Crow, I have to disagree about your analysis. It's the people in the marriage that present the issues, not money. I am not threatened by the fact my wife makes more money than me. We have had many tough times, but through it all, we've endured.

Divorce is an easy way out when it gets "too hot in the kitchen". People, at least from what I observed, want things to be easy. The late Scott Peck in his book, "The Road Less Traveled" had it exactly right in his first sentence: "Life is difficult.".

Tom

Tom, in the past the women couldn't leave if it was too hot in the kitchen. Even if her husband was beating her out of frustration. Now, many women can afford to leave.

My analysis is not all mine. This is common knowledge. The Russell Sage Foundation has written a lot about it in some of the 10 year studies.

I can tell you one thing, in all my years of doing divorces, I've never had the parties tell me their reason for divorce was that gays were threateneing the "sanctity" of marriage.

What Bull. (I'm not saying that Tom makes that claim about gays).

I don't know about it being common knowledge. I live this everyday and frankly I don't care.

The gay marriage comment is a ruse. Your point that social conservatives are against gay marriage has nothing to do with your individual clients.

Social conservatives are opposed to gay marriage for various reasons. But I recently heard it said that gay couples should suffer just like heterosexual couples when it comes to marriage. (I forgot the comedian who said it, but it is funny).

Tom

The country moves past this stuff. We muddle through these things.

I know that American business is past the issue and they are moving forward happy to employ gays. They want gay customers. The big law firms are actively recruiting gays now because it's good for business and this includes gay attorneys. I suppose other professional firms are doing the same.

Gay money spends like any other money.

What's fascinating to me is that many of the churches in the large inner cities are ONLY in business because of gay membership. Trust me this has changed the thinking of some large denomination leadership. Money means something to them as well.

That pretty much includes ALL denominations (even the Southern Baptists). However, the Southern Baptists pretty much moved their churchs out of Atlanta. lol.

The intown preachers and priests have gotten to know gay people and they realize they are like everyone else. We all have the same problems and challanges at the end of the day.