Discussion:Not paid in 14 Months
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| 2 November 2007 | |
| Hello,
I have learned the hard way on the need for collecting retainers. I completed three years of tax returns for a couple and have only been paid part of the fees due (14 months ago). My question is this: The client is requesting their original 2005 tax information back-receipts, W2s, etc. Do I have to give them this information or may I hold it until I am paid the money that is due to me? Are there legal or ethical issues revolving this? | |
| November 2, 2007 | |
| Legally, no. Ethically, you betcha'. Tell 'em as soon as money hits your desk, they can have all they want. And since they reminded you, you need to notify IRS that you're NOT the paid preparer on the return. | |
| 2 November 2007 | |
| You MUST return their original documents to them Sunny. If they request your work product, then you don't have to deliver that. So if you prepared the w-2's for their corporation and they did not pay you, then you don't have to deliver those, but by your question, I think they are asking for their source documents back, correct?
Do a search here...my name may come up...hehe but there are quite a few unique ways to get paid if you have not been already. Sorry for your predicament btw.... | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 2 November 2007 |
| You can't hold their original documents hostage. You can keep the completed return and your work product. If you are a CPA check your states CPA association for specific guidance. | |
| 2 November 2007 | |
| Hi, yes, they are asking for the source documents back.
I did have the customer sign an engagement letter stating if I wasn't paid that there would be interest applied to the amount owed. Has anyone had luck with a collection agency? If so, if they provide services in California please send me the contact information. Thanks everyone for your feedback and Sandy I will be looking up your creative ways on being paid. I look at this predicament as a learning process. | |
| 2 November 2007 | |
| Well Sunny, I can loan you "bubba"...hehehehe
For future, I suggest you make copies of their source documents and return the originals to them immediately. My reasoning is that often times when it comes to them being in arrears in filings, they tend to "lose" their source documents. At that point, then I am not obligated to return my copies to them if I have not been paid. It actually did work for me for one client who did not pay and wanted my photocopies since I returned his source documents immediately and he had since lost them all.... | |
| November 2, 2007 | |
| My answer, more fully,using more words for the women (ahem), is NO, you cannot legally keep their docs. Ethically, darned well right you should keep them, since as Sandy says, they also MUST pay you, right? Right...that's how you ensure it. Whether they know that you have to return them and whether they're willing to hire a legal beagle to help accomplish that, who cares? They know they owe you, you're merely asking for your money. Of course, push come to shove, you give back the docs. But it's the only hostage you have. | |
| 2 November 2007 | |
| HEHE; this is why I love you...you can spell it out in "sandyspeak"...hehehe | |
Donniecastleman (talk|edits) said: | 2 November 2007 |
| Yep, even if the client is the most worthless non-paying jerk of the century, you unfortunately can't hold onto their records, Now if you efiled the return you're still required to hang onto a copy of the W-2's that you used to do the return but everything else has to go back to them. Tell them to bring their butt by your office and pick it up personally though so you can ream their butt for being smut, at least that's what I would do when I worked for someone and they didn't pay me so I can put shoes on my 3 kids. What do you expect from shady people that haven't filed their returns for three years?
Per sandy's advice, definitely copy pertinent information before giving it back to them. | |
| 2 November 2007 | |
| With all due respect JR, the first time you do that you can kiss that EA card you are studying for goodbye...and to post that position publicly...well it isn't something I would do. | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 2 November 2007 |
| You must be sterner to insure full payment.
Shred a W-2 or 1099 every 24 hours until he pays off the balance due. Don't forget to demand a helicopter to take you to a non-extradition country. | |
Death&Taxes (talk|edits) said: | 2 November 2007 |
| Is any EA aware of any state that permits, "Nevertheless, if applicable state law allows or permits the retention of a client’s records by a practitioner in the case of a dispute over fees for services rendered, the practitioner need only return those records that must be attached to the taxpayer’s return."??? | |
| 2 November 2007 | |
| I just had a similar situation. A client had not paid me in two years. They called requesting information. I told them they can have it when I get paid. Now I don't have any source documentation, it's all my work product, but, you gotta do what you gotta do to get paid.
Invite them to pick them up and tell them to bring their checkbook with them. | |
| 2 November 2007 | |
| I just had a similar situation. A client had not paid me in two years. They called requesting information. I told them they can have it when I get paid. Now I don't have any source documentation, it's all my work product, but, you gotta do what you gotta do to get paid.
Invite them to pick them up and tell them to bring their checkbook with them. | |
| November 2, 2007 | |
| Yeah, Steve, not trying to be overly harsh and wouldn't hold out for long, but not going to just go, "Oh, come on over, I'll make a pot of coffee for you. Need anything copied while we're at it?" | |
MDUBIN1441 (talk|edits) said: | 3 November 2007 |
| I just responded to “Pissed off client and I want to ask others”.
I have a form letter that might be appropriate under these circumstances. I never had to use it however a CPA friend of mine got satisfaction when he used it a few years ago. Date Taxpayers Name Address RE: Fee for preparation of your 2000 U. S. Individual Federal Tax Return - $ Taxpayer SSN Spouse SSN Dear Pursuant to Section 10.34 of United States Treasury Department Circular Number 230, Title 31, Code of Federal Regulations, I prepared the above referenced Federal tax return in anticipation of payment for my services, and accordingly, signed the return as the PAID PREPARER. As of this date, I have neither received payment from you nor have I received communication, written or oral, indicating your intent to pay the preparation fee. I, therefore, will on (some date in reasonable future) notify the Internal Revenue Service of the inaccuracy in the reporting of PAID PREPARER information on the above referenced tax return. Your Attention to this very important matter is hereby requested and your prompt remittance of the ($ amt) is anticipated to be forthcoming. Sincerely, CC: U. S. Department of the Treasury, Internal Revenue Service, Examination Division DATE TO SEND Good luck Mike Dubin CPA | |
TheTinCook (talk|edits) said: | 3 November 2007 |
| I just don't e-file or turn over the completed return until I get paid. | |
| 3 November 2007 | |
| Same here, just don't e-file or turn over the work until $$$ are received. | |
| 3 November 2007 | |
| Ditto. Payment required upon receipt of paperwork - always for new clients.
Retainer required for anything that's going to cost more than $1000. Engagement letters and/or fee estimates for anything that's going to cost over $500. | |
| 4 November 2007 | |
| Progress billings as well if the work involves over 30 days....clients HATE surprises!!! | |
| November 4, 2007 | |
| I too get payment up front, but have a question.
I return all original documents to client with their file copy. I keep copies for my records for source documents etc. If a client would ask for these, would I still be obligated to provide the copies of source documents?? | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 4 November 2007 |
| If you've already gotten paid, why not provide a copy of your copy? | |
| 5 November 2007 | |
| Pretty drastic if all they want are copies of their W2s. | |
| 5 November 2007 | |
| Just out of curiosity, do you have any type of late payment fee that they agree to when you take them on as a client? In our contract with clients it states that they have until the end of the month to pay for the previous month's work (So January work needs to be paid by the end of February). It also says that a 2% late fee will be accessed on any unpaid balance after this period.
This gives them incentive to make the payment on time. When cash flow was tight we'd also include a 2% discount if it was paid in the first 10 days. | |
Bottom Line (talk|edits) said: | 5 November 2007 |
| Check your state laws but I've done this too. | |
Fuzzy Faced Leader (talk|edits) said: | 5 November 2007 |
| I can't beieve you wait years to get paid. I send out 3 billing, one each month. The last billing indicates, if no payment is received, I will send the bill to collection agency. On the fourth month, depending on the amount, I send it to collections. I always receive something after that. Sometimes the client comes back the next year, and wants his tax return done again. I do it, but money up front. | |
Wkstaxprep (talk|edits) said: | 6 November 2007 |
| i've had good repsonses from sending a letter stamped "fnal notice" and in yellow highlight at the bottom "Immediate payment required to avoid legal action!" and i put a cc: with my attorney's name.
very likely you will get a response. i think you have to return the source documents but it's possible that until you get paid you may have "temporarily misplaced" their originals and you can advise them that as soon as you find them you will be certain to give them a call :) Will | |


