Discussion:(c)(7) organization has never filed 990s

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Seg (talk|edits) said:

1 May 2009
I was recently contacted by a (c)(7) that has average gross receipts of about $75,000. They have never filed a 990 in their 20+ years of existence. Does the IRS have some kind of voluntary compliance procedure whereby they can file the last several years of returns and beg for forgiveness and no imposition of penalties, and get back some kind of a determination letter from the Service that all is forgiven?

None of the returns will show tax due, this is purely a question of having failed to file the required returns.

CPAdavid (talk|edits) said:

1 May 2009
Seg,

The first question is whether the c7 ever applied for recognition of its exempt status. Does it have a determination letter? You'll want to find that out first.

If it has a determination letter (regardless of whether it can actually locate it now) then I recommend that you file the last 5 years' 990s (assuming they've had $25k or more on average.) You can attach a letter explaining the oversight, but expect to get penalty notices anyway (very large penalties). Once you get the penalty notices, respond immediately with a reasonable cause letter requesting abatement. Don't wait until you get a notice for all delinquent years. Respond to each notice as it is received, without delay. Most likely you'll get a letter in about 8 weeks or so showing zero penalty due.

If it never filed for recognition of exempt status and does not have a determination letter, you'll probably want to call IRS's Exempt Organization division and ask what to do in that case. The IRS has generally indicated that it will not accept 990's from organization that it has not officially recognized as tax exempt. The organization may have to prepare Form 1024 before it can file the 990's. Not sure how IRS deals with that now. When you find out, let us know!

Sometimes it takes a lot of letter writing, but I've had great success with penalty abatement for multiple years' failures to file Forms 990 and 1023 / 1024. And don't be shy about calling the IRS to find out if your abatement request letters have been received and which 990's they've received and processed, etc. CPAdavid 17:06, 1 May 2009 (CDT)

Cindyloohoo (talk|edits) said:

6 May 2009
To follow up on CPADavid's comment - no - there is no Voluntary compliance program....yet.

Smokeytax (talk|edits) said:

6 May 2009
I'm far from an expert in this field, but here's my experience, in case it's helpful for you:

I addressed this issue a number of years ago with a ski club.

We sent in a request for penalty abatement based on the club's treasurer being a nonprofessional volunteer and noted that the club did a good deal of community service.

The penalties were all waived.

I didn't think there was much of a downside because the club had very little cash.

But, I heard of another ski club in the area that may have gone bankrupt because of the issue, which would have been a shame because they owned some real estate.

CPAdavid (talk|edits) said:

6 May 2009
Smokeytax,

The down side would be that if the organization does not have the funds to pay the penalties, the IRS will go after the individual directors. The section 6652 penalties apply to the organization and responsible persons (any officer, director, trustee, employee, or other individual who is under a duty to perform the act in respect of which the violation occurred).

I recently had a conversation with an IRS collections employee regarding an organization that had multiple years incomplete filings and several non-filings of Form 990. The penalty assessments were about $7,000 on the late filed returns. The collections agent was not the least bit deterred by the fact the the organization had almost no cash and no assets at all. They suggested the directors look to retirement accounts, personal funds, or other assets to pay the balance due. Fortunately, I was able to mount a successful reasonable cause argument.

However, it is highly unlikely that it would ever come to this, given the reasonable cause provisions also provided for in sec 6652(c)(3). There would have to be demonstrable "willful neglect" or a failure of the organization to request abatement and demonstrate reasonable cause for the IRS to really pursue collection of the penalties. It really is a simple matter to have penalties abated, if done properly and timely.

Smokeytax (talk|edits) said:

6 May 2009
That sure makes you want to avoid being an officer of your club!

Cindyloohoo (talk|edits) said:

7 May 2009
Smokey - CPA David is right on - but keep in mind that you really only have one shot at the abatement. That is, if these folks persist in failing to file (and for whatever reason it seems like the non-compliant are generally repeat offenders), it is much less likely that you'll be able to get the penalties abated the second time around. You also need to be carful about what you say in your abatement request (ignorance of the law is typically not penalty abatement material). Lastly, and I'm sure you know this - I definitely would not tell the client that the penalties will be abated (tell them "may") - prepare them for the worst and hope for the best....

Smokeytax (talk|edits) said:

7 May 2009
I had though that since the club was incorporated there would be no personal liability problem.

I had no idea - more proof of the old adage that it's better to be lucky than smart!

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